In our master bedroom we like to watch a lot of movies (80%) and a listen to a little bit of music (20%). It looks like towers or bookshelfs won't work due to WAF and being in a pathway to bathroom. Would you recommend in-walls or on-walls for LCR? With in-walls I am a little worried that I would have to alter the studs to get the speakers lined up the way I would like, but if it is worth it I am open to it. If on-walls are just as good I will just go that route. I will also add 2 rears and sub after choosing LCR's. As an fyi the receiver and equipment will be in a closet on the wall behind so I will not have any cabinet on the ground.
In-Walls or On-Walls for LCR?
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In a bedroom setting, I would go with an in-wall setup. First find out about the stud layout, then go from there.
If you have to go with an on-wall setup, do you have speakers in mind?
What about a high-end soundbar? Some of the latest ones sound CRAZY good.
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If you have to go with an on-wall setup, do you have speakers in mind?
What about a high-end soundbar? Some of the latest ones sound CRAZY good.
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I'd get on walls over in walls as you don't have to leave them if you move and not sure someone else would be happy with speakers you would likely leave behind, (it would a PITA to repair the walls).
On walls can be had for as little as $200/pair for JBLs but I'd look at 5 of these unless they are out of budget.
https://www.amazon.com/MartinLogan-...ocphy=9032310&hvtargid=pla-571550465177&psc=1
You could use these for rears.
https://www.amazon.com/MartinLogan-Channel-Speaker-Folded-Motion-Tweeter/dp/B073V6VNXK
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Def Tech has a 5 channel passive soundbar. Might solve your speaker problem with one unit. On closeout, so you may have a limited time to decide:
https://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Technology-Mythos-SSA-50-surround/dp/B00170MK2S
Lots of 3 channel passive options from Golden Ear, KEF, Revel, Monitor Audio, Triad, HTD, to name a few.
https://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Technology-Mythos-SSA-50-surround/dp/B00170MK2S
Lots of 3 channel passive options from Golden Ear, KEF, Revel, Monitor Audio, Triad, HTD, to name a few.
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One other note about in-walls... you should check out where the wall cavity opens up above and if it might lead to sound being pushed where you might not want it, such as another bedroom or office. I just finished patching up some walls recently where in-walls were obnoxious in adjacent rooms. I added what is now my third full set of RSL speakers mounted on the walls and coupled with their speedwoofers, they sound absolutely amazing. I think RSL Speakers offer the most bang for the buck of anything out there.
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I would recommend the Triad InWall Mini LCRs: https://www.triadspeakers.com/products/home-cinema/inwall-home-cinema/iw-mini4-lcr/
Triad will also paint the speaker grills to match your wall.
Triad will also paint the speaker grills to match your wall.
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On-walls = a lot less than in-walls because you don't have to pay for installation, plus can easily take them with you when you move.
Dollar for dollar, they also tend to sound far better than in-walls. For example a $300 pair would run circles around any $300/pr in-walls.
Have you ever considered using compact wall-mounted bookshelves, as in the photos below?
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- The statement/generalization above in bold is ridiculously untrue. Absurdly so, even.
- Mounted bookshelf speakers are also disgusting in 2019. Hideous idea that might have been fine design in the 80's or 90's. In a world of flat panel TV's 2" thick, you're advocating sticking something on the wall that sticks 8" or more? In a master bedroom? No.
- Your statement on installation cost is off as well. A drywall knife/saw cost less than the mounts for those monstrosities hanging off the wall in those pics and cutting them in would be just as easy as hanging those. Same with the drywall anchors for the on-walls. $8-$12 gets you a drywall knife, man. Most people have a level and a basic stud finder might be $10.
If moving is a concern in the future the in wall cut out holes are cheap to repair.
I had an installation where the in walls were to high. There is usually local construction going on every where now a days.
That said a good drywaller can patch for $50 an opening or less. I have pics to show.
On walls are a good option but mainly designed for ease of installation. I think a properly designed in wall is better since it will use the wall cavity whereas an on wall is normally only 2-3” deep.
I had an installation where the in walls were to high. There is usually local construction going on every where now a days.
That said a good drywaller can patch for $50 an opening or less. I have pics to show.
On walls are a good option but mainly designed for ease of installation. I think a properly designed in wall is better since it will use the wall cavity whereas an on wall is normally only 2-3” deep.
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LOL, if you are a slave to WAF and/or impressing the no-nothing Bose-loving neighbors, sure whatever...I think you're pushing your business model a bit hard aren't you?
This is not a "prettify your house" forum.
As for your other objections, the bottom line remains that $300 can get you a great pair of compact bookshelf speakers that are easily mounted and easily removed. I've never seen a $300 pair of in-walls with a decently engineered back-box (the main feature that can make in-walls not sound craptastic) as well as decent drivers.
The other bottom line is this: Any consumer who buys in-walls resigns himself to trusting the (often slimy, commission-chasing) salesman who sold the speakers to him, since if he isn't crazy about the actual sound of the in-walls once they've been put in HIS room, playing HIS content, using HIS electronics---as opposed to the ivory tower conditions, room treatments and high end electronics usually found in boutique showrooms---he's SOL. Putting a pair of bookshelf speakers back into the box and shipping them back or returning them at the store is a hell of a lot easier/quicker than removing in-wall speakers and then probably having to re-fit the hole for the replacement speaker.
Of course, if you are IN the industry on the selling end, you want to sell whatever makes life easiest and most profitable for YOU, not for the hapless and gullible consumer.
That's why enthusiast forums like this exist.
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You have, literally NO experience, NOR any idea of what you're speaking of. See notes below, addressing your "points" in order....LOL, if you are a slave to WAF and/or impressing the no-nothing Bose-loving neighbors, sure whatever...I think you're pushing your business model a bit hard aren't you?
This is not a "prettify your house" forum.
As for your other objections, the bottom line remains that $300 can get you a great pair of compact bookshelf speakers that are easily mounted and easily removed. I've never seen a $300 pair of in-walls with a decently engineered back-box (the main feature that can make in-walls not sound craptastic) as well as decent drivers.
The other bottom line is this: Any consumer who buys in-walls resigns himself to trusting the (often slimy, commission-chasing) salesman who sold the speakers to him, since if he isn't crazy about the actual sound of the in-walls once they've been put in HIS room, playing HIS content, using HIS electronics---as opposed to the ivory tower conditions, room treatments and high end electronics usually found in boutique showrooms---he's SOL. Putting a pair of bookshelf speakers back into the box and shipping them back or returning them at the store is a hell of a lot easier/quicker than removing in-wall speakers and then probably having to re-fit the hole for the replacement speaker.
Of course, if you are IN the industry on the selling end, you want to sell whatever makes life easiest and most profitable for YOU, not for the hapless and gullible consumer.
That's why enthusiast forums like this exist.
- What business model am I pushing and, to what extent do you think it helps me? I have not, and do not initiate PMs to people on here to sell things. Nor do I put my business name on here to try and get sales. I post anonymously to give honest info. So honest, in fact, that a prominent dealer on this forum - I know who it is, but was asked to play nice - complained about me to a large manufacturer, lying that I initiate PMing people trying to sell gear (which I proved that it is he that actually does that and he was mad I possibly hurt his margins) trying to get me off of here. Didn't work, because it didn't happen and I proved it.
I do have a classified in the dealer section (where it's supposed to be) for floor standing speakers, FFS. WTF do you think I gain from telling him the tools he needs to do it himself? Do you think I get a commission for every in-wall speaker sold on planet Earth? Maybe you think I get paid for every drywall saw and stud finder, too?
Your personal sniping at me for being a professional in this industry is weird and misplaced. 20 years of experience and I give advice FOR FREE. Real, hands on, professional advice and ask for nothing in return unless someone asks me for help because they cannot find gear they need. Plenty of times I've even designed entire houses and projects for AVS members for free and just to help them. Strange how you've pimped brands that actually DO market online and on this forum and who actually ARE doing so to make money off of people. Do you just not realize that, or are you a hypocrite?
- This also isn't a "How can I make my house look like 1996 forum, either". Nor is it a "I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about forum", yet you still continue to spew forth totally wrong information. You're also generalizing and stereotyping the OP's neighbors, whom you know jack ISH about.
- Removing the speakers is a function of on and in-walls, yes. Did the OP say he needed or wanted a temporary solution? Perhaps I missed that. If he needs to remove them any time soon, totally understand the on-walls. On-walls, BTW, have very small enclosures and limited bass response and volume. They can absolutely work, but good ones are a bit pricey compared to a lower cost in-wall.
- I call BS on the "$300 can get you a great pair of bookshelves". Not new ones, anyway. Besides that, the mounting hardware isn't free, either. So, your entire costing position here is imaginary and incomplete. The 2x4 stud cavity, along with the drywall and open back in-wall occupies, is often times thicker and more dense than the enclosure of the $300 bookshelves you're pimping - especially if stuffed with sufficient batted insulation.
- Your assertion on the back box is completely, grossly wrong and has been debunked on this forum ad nauseam. Back boxes on in-walls LIMIT BASS RESPONSE BY CUTTING OFF THE AIR TO THE WOOFER, THUS NOT ALLOWING IT TO MOVE. There are benefits and drawbacks to both designs. Your blanket statement comes from ignorance and inexperience, yet you feel qualified to speak about it. I do this for a living..... you read about it. Perhaps next, go watch Top Gun and then find an aviation forum to tell pilots how to fly.
- Your 4th paragraph is a nonsensical, insane rant with more make believe BS. Not sure what 3rd world war-zone you live in where the big bad salesmen have ravaged and pillaged your lands but, MOVE, dude. It's a big world out there and there are outstanding professionals out there who enjoy helping people. You're clearly butt-hurt over some experience you had with salesmen somewhere in your timeline. You're just inventing scenarios to fit your personal narrative. What on Earth are you taking about?
The OP has to buy the speakers from somewhere. As if no one slimy has ever ran a web based audio business. AV123, anyone? Web based business and advertising isn't the most integrity filled industry, either. People misinform for money. Sometimes intentionally. Sometimes accidentally. Heck, you've done it several times in this thread, already - and in 1,000s of others.
- Again you insinuate that I have something to gain here. What on Earth are you talking about? Directly, I am asking you to connect the dots of me reading your BS post, pointing out it is BS, and then connect me try to, as you put it, "sell whatever makes life easiest and most profitable for YOU, not for the hapless and gullible consumer."
You won't connect those dots because you absolutely can't. I saw a guy getting god awful advice and stepped in to say it was BS. Not selling him anything at all. YOU NOW INSINUATING THAT HE OR ANY OTHER CONSUMER IS GULLIBLE IS INSULTING TO HIM. Why insult him as if he is not intelligent enough to read through and make his own decisions? This is your general opinion of people? And then YOU just think that YOU know better? That's disgusting.
- Lastly, sure, this forum has some snakes only looking to sell gear under the guise of offering help, yes. It's also filled with good enthusiasts, bad enthusiasts, good dealers looking to help, and everything in between. It's the largest A/V forum in the world. To make this an "us vs. them" forum would be to eliminate and ostracize actual professionals who give good advice. Your response to me and the post before it is shameful on so many levels.
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Hmmmm, Bose has been in business since 1964. That means they've been in business for 55 years. I'm sure they give advice for free, too.
Verbal diarrhea and comically self-righteous indignation does not a cogent argument make, sorry.
Feel free to disagree, vehemently if you wish, but you could spare us your "oh poor me I'm just a PROFESSIONAL with a heart of gold trying to do a good deed promoting my product (even if indirectly)" routine.
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Haha. The Harmon tree of life, with roots planted firmly in AVS! But .... what am I implying? I'm not telling.
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check out axiom audio for on walls, as well as in walls with integrated back boxes
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That's true, he has not.
I just couldn't help finding all his pretensions of authority, both audio and aesthetic, absolutely hilarious.
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Not sure he was getting bad advice and that it was BS to be honest.
The OP asked for pros and cons of in walls/on walls and I think he got it and you presented your thoughts on the in wall solution.
First recommendation was in wall, second was to consider a good soundbar and third was some small on walls.
All seemed like reasonable advice to me.
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