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Internal Pro Res for $799: The Z Cam E2C

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http://www.z-cam.com/e2c/

4K @ 30fps, 10-bit color
4/3" CMOS sensor
11.5 stops dynamic range
Gigabit Ethernet for data, control & live streaming*
iOS and Android (beta) app for control setting & live preview


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Mark, you’re soon going to need another house just to store all your cameras. ;)
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ZRAW is coming also

Just attach a small external ssd (like Samsung T5) via usb-c to the camera and shoot Pro Res or ZRAW (a real RAW). Or just shoot H265 10bit at high bitrates onto a good old regular u3 SD card. HLG supported, plus a log gamma.
C’mon guys, no real EVF again...and no, I don’t want to start adding one dongly accessory after another. ;)
If it does not shoot 8k120 16 bit raw, it is completely inadequate for professional cat video work :(
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Out of studio work I don't see who the maker of this camera is aiming at. Both casual shooters and most pros on budget would balk at having to pay significantly more for batteries (not one in the box unless they are Canon users who already have this particular battery), a monitor like the Ninja V or something around that size, and likely some sort of gripping accessories to help with the actual handling of the camera which, in addition to this bare body, would need to have a lens and an external monitor in field shooting.

Though we probably never know for sure about the sensor inside this camera, it looks to be one of the older generation used in older or budget Panasonic and Olympus cameras. Not the one in the 2-year-old Panasonic GH5 or 3-year-old Olympus EM1 Mk2. The latter also has on sensor phase detection AF that along with the recent firmware works superbly on par (in video) with many Canon Dual Pixel AF DSLRs.

I think the price as being offered is deceptive considering the need to make it really useable though the useability with all the said add-ons and cables etc. may vary from one shooter to another.
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Out of studio work I don't see who the maker of this camera is aiming at. Both casual shooters and most pros on budget would balk at having to pay significantly more for batteries (not one in the box unless they are Canon users who already have this particular battery), a monitor like the Ninja V or something around that size, and likely some sort of gripping accessories to help with the actual handling of the camera which, in addition to this bare body, would need to have a lens and an external monitor in field shooting.

Though we probably never know for sure about the sensor inside this camera, it looks to be one of the older generation used in older or budget Panasonic and Olympus cameras. Not the one in the 2-year-old Panasonic GH5 or 3-year-old Olympus EM1 Mk2. The latter also has on sensor phase detection AF that along with the recent firmware works superbly on par (in video) with many Canon Dual Pixel AF DSLRs.

I think the price as being offered is deceptive considering the need to make it really useable though the useability with all the said add-ons and cables etc. may vary from one shooter to another.
The battery costs $17 on Amazon. It's a standard Canon-type battery, same as used on the BMPCC 4K and lots of Canon DSLRs except this camera gets 80 minutes from it, not 25. You don't need a recorder like the Ninja V. That is the point. You are recording in the camera to a tiny ssd drive like the little Samsung T5 via usb c, if you want RAW or ProRes. Otherwise the same sd card you use in a GoPro to get 10bit H265 HLG. You can use a little ipod touch as a monitor,touch screen works. Fully articulating. Or you can just use the lcd on the camera, it has one.

The sensor is the one on the GH4. You get a tiny GH4 that internally shoots 10bit with better color and DR. AF like the GH4, passable if you work right with it.

I don't know who this appeals to, but certainly not to those with no imagination. Pros love to rig cameras. Modular is what they like, so they can build a rig that suits them. I agree a handle is a good idea, but you can choose what you like.

It mounts on a small gimbal, so great for handheld work, otherwise relies on the OIS in Lumix lenses. Tiny, 10bit, ILC with great customization options that don't bulk up.

Real HDR video not fake like Sony (ahem) from a tiny camera.
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Piece of crap. Human tracking - cannot focus on a human.
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That video is definitely not 4k, it looks more like effective 720p resolution to me. The sort of thing you might see from older Canon cameras and camcorders from a few years back.
That video is definitely not 4k, it looks more like effective 720p resolution to me. The sort of thing you might see from older Canon cameras and camcorders from a few years back.
What video? The only one I have seen that has some competence is this:

https://vimeo.com/333584975
That video is definitely not 4k, it looks more like effective 720p resolution to me. The sort of thing you might see from older Canon cameras and camcorders from a few years back.
When the youtube video is in focus, its resolution is well above 1080p by my eyes. Did you set the quality to be 2160p on youtube?
The only thing vaguely attractive about this camera (at least to me) is the live 4k streaming, for which you need to connect it to a PC. What's the point of that??
When the youtube video is in focus, its resolution is well above 1080p by my eyes. Did you set the quality to be 2160p on youtube?
4K on a 4K monitor. The resolution on the OP video is less than HD. It is marginally better than what my G30 (Ninja V recording through the HDMI port, so compression is not an issue) upscaled to 4K looks like, and that camera has an effective resolution of around 700 - 800 lines.
4K on a 4K monitor. The resolution on the OP video is less than HD. It is marginally better than what my G30 (Ninja V recording through the HDMI port, so compression is not an issue) upscaled to 4K looks like, and that camera has an effective resolution of around 700 - 800 lines.
And the second video? Are we making judgements about the camera's resolution from YouTube compressed videos? What is going on? I am confused (I agree the resolution of that guy's video is terrible).
4K H265 10bit 200 Mbps REC709

https://vimeo.com/354328272

You can download the original video I uploaded and by pass Vimeo compression.
Mine just arrived. I'll be posting a review and menu guide soon at focuspulling.com.

For limited purposes, it's surprisingly great. I hate ProRes (inefficient for acquisition, really just an intermediate codec for old Final Cut Pro) and dig H.265 for efficiency and 10-bit performance. I couldn't care less about high frame rates: no interest in shooting weddings with bridezillas in slow motion, etc. RAW is on the way via firmware. The auto-focus is at least a little better than the BMPCC4K/6K with active lenses. Battery life is longer than the BMPCC4K/6K too, even though the same battery - and there's no fan either, but a temperature readout right there on the display. Even though the packaging states iOS control only, the beta Android app works great: with the robust Wi-Fi antenna, you really get a solid viewfinder wireless connection with nominal latency, and full touchscreen controls of every function.

As a B- or C-camera during live events/music especially, it's a great (because it's cheap) thing to bring alongside better cameras. But the rolling shutter is the worst I've ever seen (no, seriously): so this thing really needs to be something you just set and forget on sticks.
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In the park


Note: no peripherals: no monitor, no handle, no big battery. Just the camera and lens (PL 12-60mm).

Shooting H265 200 Mbps. 10bit.
Without a monitor how do you see what you’re shooting? Actually, how would you even know if you’re holding the camera level? :confused:
Without a monitor how do you see what you’re shooting? Actually, how would you even know if you’re holding the camera level? :confused:
It has an LCD screen! The screen is a little bigger than the one on the Osmo Pocket. And with focus peaking, you know what is in focus (or whether in focus) even using AF (which I use). So, it is very compact, and I can use it just like any of my other toy cameras, without anyone paying much attention - just a little box with a lens (and tiny battery).
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And Here is an HDR Video: HLG 10bit

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