[King Titus]

I realize Audyssey gives you multiple mic locations (Onkyo)

Ypao gives you one location (Yamaha).


But does the multiple location in anyway, dumb down your main listening area with YPAO.


I still own a Yamaha 1800 (with ext. amp) so is it time to upgrade to audyssey Onkyo or Integra. Or is sound difference negligible.


Reference equipment used.


Thanks

 

[SkiSmuggs]

It was for me. I was never able to get clear dialog with my Yamaha RX-V650 and my Onkyo TX-SR606 was crystal clear. For music, it didn't make as much difference. I read a review of the RX-V663 that also complained of not getting clear dialog even with manual adjustments.

 

[dookie1]

the audyssey xt in my onkyo 5507 is light years better than ypao in my rx-v2600.


biggest drawbacks of ypao: single reference point, no LFE eq (cutoff is ~80hz as i recall), single xover setting for all speakers.

 

[King Titus]



Quote:
Originally Posted by dookie1 /forum/post/18105276


the audyssey xt in my onkyo 5507 is light years better than ypao in my rx-v2600.

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Besides the room management being light years ahead, (Good to hear)

is the sound quality also Light years ahead, for 5.1 music and HT??Or is it a subtle SQ difference.


I have very good speakers. So they will not be the problem of not hearing a difference.

 

[Oz Man]

I just went from an Onkyo 606 to a Yamaha 765 and after the Ypao did it's thing, the sound is a lot better through my speakers than it was with the Onkyo. More crystal clear and even the wife made a comment on how clear it was. I have not made any adjustments to the Ypao settings.

 

[stitch1]

Short answer: Yes!

long answer: YYYEEEEESSSSSS!!!!!

 

[dookie1]



Quote:
Originally Posted by King Titus /forum/post/18107207


Besides the room management being light years ahead, (Good to hear)

is the sound quality also Light years ahead, for 5.1 music and HT??Or is it a subtle SQ difference.

are the two separable? i mean, the room correction by definition affects the sound quality.


with audyssey switched off, SQ is much worse. but that's not the pre/pro's fault, now is it?


with it on, the SQ is much better than the yammie. is that the hardware or the software? inseparable, in my mind.

 

[phantom52]

Yamaha 3900 gives you 8 point calibration just as Audyssey Multi-Eq XT if I read the specs correctly. I'm using an Onkyo 876 with Audyssey XT and before that the Yamaha 2600. They both worked very well for my room. The newer YPAO may be even better. YPAO lets you customize the settings,and save different ones in memory, Audyssey doesn't. They both should do the job equally as well. This just as other room Eq's have their followings.

 

[Dzhokhar]



Quote:
Originally Posted by dookie1 /forum/post/18109261


are the two separable? i mean, the room correction by definition affects the sound quality.


with audyssey switched off, SQ is much worse. but that's not the pre/pro's fault, now is it?


with it on, the SQ is much better than the yammie. is that the hardware or the software? inseparable, in my mind.

Some people don't like Audyssey because they think it affects overall EQ in a negative way (I can't remember if they think it rolls off highs or lows). These seem to be mostly people who have very good rooms to begin with. I suspect if this thread goes on long enough one or more of them will show up.

 

[drmosh]

I think people put too much weight on these auto calibration methods, whether it's Audyssey, MCACC, YPAO or whatever... they're all baseline measurements to fit a general profile, you won't necessarily like it since SQ is mostly subjective. What I'm trying to say is, you will have to tweak the settings to your taste to maximize what you get out of the measurements.


I have owned a newer Onkyo and a Pioneer and I do not like the way Onkyo Audyssey rolls off the EQ like someone said but that is all adjustable. I found MCACC more accurate off the bat but it's still no save-all, I still have 4 different MCACC settings on my Pioneer when it comes to speaker setup and type of listening source such as music or movie.

 

[BobL]

Which EQ will do the best job is room dependant. Audyssey is technically superior but that doesn't mean it will give the best results in a given room. When possible EQ should be the final tweak and not used to correct for bad speaker/sub/seating placement or acoustical treatments.


We have measured many of these EQ systems and sometimes they do a good job and sometimes they don't. There are many things that can trick these systems and often do.


As far as the multiple measurement locations go this is a tradeoff. NO system can have perfect sound at every seat, you don't need EQ to prove this, a simple SPL meter in every seat will prove it. Plus the delays can't be set perfectly for each seat nevermind EQ. It just defies physics.


With multiple locations you may fix some room problems that might otherwise get missed. Multiple locations often try to give good sound everywhere but you often end up with great sound nowhere. It's your choice on the tradeoffs. You can make multiple measurments all near your head of the primary seat or 'swet spot'.


Practical tip for these auto EQ systems is to use a tripod for the microphone. Placing them on the back of your chair, on some pillows, etc. oftens causes these anomalies. Buy a cheap camera tripod for

 

[ikaden]



Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL /forum/post/18114205


Practical tip for these auto EQ systems is to use a tripod for the microphone. Placing them on the back of your chair, on some pillows, etc. oftens causes these anomalies. Buy a cheap camera tripod for

 

[phantom52]



Quote:
Originally Posted by ikaden /forum/post/18114269


Should the tripod be setup in front of the main seats, behind them, or balance it on the seat?

Depending on what program you use. With Audyssey there's an explanation with placements pictures in the manual. This also depends on which version Audyssey you are using. Older YPAO used one position, newer version uses more. Can't help with MCACC or H/K's Ez-Q. Of course Sony has their version also and I know nothing about it.

 

[rdgrimes]



Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL /forum/post/18114205


Which EQ will do the best job is room dependant. Audyssey is technically superior but that doesn't mean it will give the best results in a given room. When possible EQ should be the final tweak and not used to correct for bad speaker/sub/seating placement or acoustical treatments.


We have measured many of these EQ systems and sometimes they do a good job and sometimes they don't. There are many things that can trick these systems and often do.


As far as the multiple measurement locations go this is a tradeoff. NO system can have perfect sound at every seat, you don't need EQ to prove this, a simple SPL meter in every seat will prove it. Plus the delays can't be set perfectly for each seat nevermind EQ. It just defies physics.


With multiple locations you may fix some room problems that might otherwise get missed. Multiple locations often try to give good sound everywhere but you often end up with great sound nowhere. It's your choice on the tradeoffs. You can make multiple measurments all near your head of the primary seat or 'swet spot'.


Practical tip for these auto EQ systems is to use a tripod for the microphone. Placing them on the back of your chair, on some pillows, etc. oftens causes these anomalies. Buy a cheap camera tripod for

 

[bluesky636]



Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL /forum/post/18114205


Which EQ will do the best job is room dependant. Audyssey is technically superior but that doesn't mean it will give the best results in a given room. When possible EQ should be the final tweak and not used to correct for bad speaker/sub/seating placement or acoustical treatments.


We have measured many of these EQ systems and sometimes they do a good job and sometimes they don't. There are many things that can trick these systems and often do.


As far as the multiple measurement locations go this is a tradeoff. NO system can have perfect sound at every seat, you don't need EQ to prove this, a simple SPL meter in every seat will prove it. Plus the delays can't be set perfectly for each seat nevermind EQ. It just defies physics.


With multiple locations you may fix some room problems that might otherwise get missed. Multiple locations often try to give good sound everywhere but you often end up with great sound nowhere. It's your choice on the tradeoffs. You can make multiple measurments all near your head of the primary seat or 'swet spot'.


Practical tip for these auto EQ systems is to use a tripod for the microphone. Placing them on the back of your chair, on some pillows, etc. oftens causes these anomalies. Buy a cheap camera tripod for

 

[Phantom Gremlin]



Quote:
Originally Posted by rdgrimes /forum/post/18114525


Subwoofer setup and tuning is a separate process and should be completed prior to running system setup.

I'm confused by this. Doesn't Audyssey also set up the subwoofer in terms of adjusting the signal (and delay of such signal) sent to the subwoofer? Are you talking about physical placement in the room? Even if so, wouldn't you want to run Audysey with several placements and see what it reports?

 

[phantom52]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Phantom Gremlin /forum/post/18121138


I'm confused by this. Doesn't Audyssey also set up the subwoofer in terms of adjusting the signal (and delay of such signal) sent to the subwoofer? Are you talking about physical placement in the room? Even if so, wouldn't you want to run Audysey with several placements and see what it reports?

In the dedicated Audyssey thread there is a step for setting up the subwoofer before running Audyssey. Of course its better to make sure your sub is in the best place in that room also. There's and article on Audoholics.com about "crawling for bass" which is quite helpful. Go there and give read.

 

[Phantom Gremlin]



Quote:
Originally Posted by phantom52 /forum/post/18121190


In the dedicated Audyssey thread there is a step for setting up the subwoofer before running Audyssey. Of course its better to make sure your sub is in the best place in that room also. There's and article on Audoholics.com about "crawling for bass" which is quite helpful. Go there and give read.

Thanks. I will have to go back and read more from the dedicated thread, it's just that it's hard to get too enthusiastic about 24,000 posts in a single thread. Odds are it's more chaff than wheat.

The "crawling for bass" article (from 2001) was short and to the point. Basically you temporarily put your subwoofer at your most common listening area, then crawl around the room listening for the best sound location. Then move your subwoofer to there. "Sounds good" (pun intended) in theory but I wonder if it will work as well in practice. E.g. I intend to listen from a couch and/or big easy chair. I wonder if placing the subwoofer very near those large pieces of furniture will not alter its sound too much for this trick to work?

 

[phantom52]

You don't have to go through all the post. It's right here on the first page titled Audyssey setup. Easier than it sounds. Good luck and have fun with it. It may seem like a pain, but in the end its worth it.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14456895