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Aftter researching HTPCs more and more, it appears that the best uses for them are either to simply play video files from the hard drive, or movies on disc. The cable and satellite companies seem to encrypt many channels (especially HD), which pretty much forces you to buy their DVR if you want to record lots of channels. I looked into getting a cablecard from Cox here, and their FAQ says that all two-way services do not work if you use that, so you lose functionality of their guide and pay-per-view.


My question is, am I missing something that makes creating your own DVR a reality or are we pretty much forced to rent a DVR from our provider?
 

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If you only have an antenna, then a computer DVR makes sense.

With cable, you can record all analog stations, and the major networks are usually available in HD.


There are new products coming out from silicon dust and Ceton that will give more channels through a cablecard. Media Center has its own channel guide, so that is not lost when using a cablecard.
 

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DVR on the computer offers you capabilities that you just can’t get from a STB (Can record many channels simultaneously, network it throughout the house so all TVs can access the same information, cut the commercials out and burn the episode to DVD for your friend that forgot to program their VCR, etc.) Whether it is worth it to you depends on how much effort you want to go into.


DVR works very well with broadcast TV. However, it is no secret that cable/sat do everything they possibly can to limit what you can do with their transmissions. You seem to have read up on your limited options with cable cards. Might want to look into the HDPVR 1212 capture cards. They cap and encode the 1080i output from your cable box. That way, your computer controls the cable box and controls the recording as well, but to the cable company it looks like you just have a regular cable box at home. YMMV.


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My question is, am I missing something that makes creating your own DVR a reality or are we pretty much forced to rent a DVR from our provider?

You pretty much nailed a lot of the reasons why many people, including myself, don't use their HTPCs as DVRs. Still though, there are plenty here who don't subscribe to cable/sat and use their HTPCs to record OTA stuff. There are also folks who go the cable card route. There is no good option for all. Go one route and you can be severely limited (loose encrypted channels), go another route and you have to pay a lot of money in order to record just a single channel (by using the HD PVR), go another route and you loose some of the things cable offers (using cable card and loosing PPV), etc.
 

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I dumped all pay TV and use my HTPC DVR for OTA HD. And it's free. Priceless.


Why? I had to ask myself if $85-$120 a month was worth the 5 "cable" channels we watch I can't get OTA. That answer is a big no. I can still watch all those shows via Netflix, Netflix streaming or Hulu if I can't wait for the DVD/Bluray to come out. Works great.
 

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Until the new cable cards from Ceton and Silicon Dust are released (any day now
) the DVR in an HTPC for those with cable is not very interesting.


However, very soon, it should be the best way to go.


Any day now . . .
 

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My HTPC has six ATSC tuners for recording OTA HD local channels. I also have two S3 Tivos for recording programs from FIOS. I don't care about the 2-way communication limitation and I don't watch Pay Per View. When the new Ceton CC tuners are released I'll be using my HTPC for all of my DVR chores.


It's only pointless if you miss the point.
 

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What I'm looking forward to is the upgrade to Windows 7 Media Center called "Mediaroom 2.0" which may allow AT&T Uverse integration into a HTPC. We'll see if it gets released but looks promising.
 

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DVR on the computer offers you capabilities that you just can't get from a STB (Can record many channels simultaneously, network it throughout the house so all TVs can access the same information, cut the commercials out and burn the episode to DVD for your friend that forgot to program their VCR, etc.) Whether it is worth it to you depends on how much effort you want to go into.


DVR works very well with broadcast TV. However, it is no secret that cable/sat do everything they possibly can to limit what you can do with their transmissions. You seem to have read up on your limited options with cable cards. Might want to look into the HDPVR 1212 capture cards. They cap and encode the 1080i output from your cable box. That way, your computer controls the cable box and controls the recording as well, but to the cable company it looks like you just have a regular cable box at home. YMMV.


-Suntan

Yup, I'm very happy with my SageTV/HD PVR/R5000/HDHR setup. I can watch any of my Dish channels (almost all HD) in any room I have a PC or extender, and I get commercial detection/skipping, unlimited storage, etc...


I wish I could drop Dish for streaming, but too many of my "Favorites" just aren't available in any reasonable time period/quality that way.
 

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I dumped all pay TV and use my HTPC DVR for OTA HD. And it's free. Priceless.


Why? I had to ask myself if $85-$120 a month was worth the 5 "cable" channels we watch I can't get OTA. That answer is a big no. I can still watch all those shows via Netflix, Netflix streaming or Hulu if I can't wait for the DVD/Bluray to come out. Works great.

+1 Having DVR capability for OTA broadcasts helps cut the $100/mo cable cord. That's $1,200/yr, you could buy 2 PC's for a year's worth of cable bills.
 

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+1 Having DVR capability for OTA broadcasts helps cut the $100/mo cable cord. That's $1,200/yr, you could buy 2 PC's for a year's worth of cable bills.

Exactly. Heck, I could *buy* the box sets of the cable shows and still have money left over.
 

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Question for those of you who are using your HTPC as a DVR...


When you want to watch regular/live TV (who does that anymore?!), are you stuck watching it on/with the computer? I know it may seem like a stupid question, but I only have one TV and one cable box, so if I go this route, does my computer essentially take the place of my STB? Does this make your viewing experience any different or more troublesome than just using the CC's STB? I can't imagine it would, but everybody has different experiences, so I'd love to get some feedback.
 

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While I too have dropped cable for OTA/online, 100/month is 'retail' price. If you take the little time it takes to haggle you can easily get your cable down to $60. When I dropped my cable I was even offered a year of HD basic (2-80) cable for $13 a month with a basic box. HD box would have been 5 more a month.
 

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Question for those of you who are using your HTPC as a DVR...


When you want to watch regular/live TV (who does that anymore?!), are you stuck watching it on/with the computer? I know it may seem like a stupid question, but I only have one TV and one cable box, so if I go this route, does my computer essentially take the place of my STB? Does this make your viewing experience any different or more troublesome than just using the CC's STB? I can't imagine it would, but everybody has different experiences, so I'd love to get some feedback.

You have a couple of options.


I use SageTV, which I would say is the most flexible option out there for distributing your DVR TV shows throughout the house, so I will only talk about its capabilities.


Sage has 3 potential components, a “server”, a “client” and an “extender.”


The Server is the computer that has Sage Server software running and the tuners/capture cards hooked to it. It is responsible for recording all shows and it must be on if you want to watch recorded shows on any of the TVs. You can have this server computer hooked directly to your TV and it will function as an all-in-one DVR system similar to a TiVo, you get the 10ft GUI, program guide, show setup/delete, FF/Rew, etc. etc. (you can also have it disconnected from all TVs, but we’ll get to that in a minute.)


The Client is a computer that has Sage Client software running and it. It gives you the same playback interface as the server (10ft GUI, program guide, show setup/delete, FF/Rew, etc. etc.) allowing you to do all the same things you can as if you were actually sitting at the server computer, but all it is doing is communicating to the server. No shows get stored on the client and it can not do anything unless the server computer is running. The client computer plays the shows locally, but accesses them from the server.


Lastly is the extender which is a STB that basically does all the same things as the server and the client can do, but as it is a STB you don’t need to build a computer. You just plug it in, hook the audio/video up then plug in a network connection and off you go. It again has the same interface as the server and client allowing the same interface on all TVs. It does not allow you access to recordings that are stored on the server or schedule/delete recordings without the server running (but it does have basic abilities to play videos off of a USB drive you attach to it in stand alone mode, ie. without the server running.) The extender has hardware playback locally, and does not require transcoding for any of the popular video/audio formats (it does have some limitations with regards to the advanced audio formats found on Blu Rays.)


I have a computer with 4 tuners running the server software attached to my livingroom TV. I have a client license running on my desktop (so I can watch shows while I work on digital pictures/edit home movies) and one extender hooked up to the TV in the bedroom. I can start a show in the livingroom, get half way through, pause it, go to bed and finish watching it up stairs, etc. Also, all three options allow for watching of live TV through the system.


It is quite common for people to run their server tucked away in the basement with no TV/monitor attached to it and only control the DVR capabilities from client and/or extenders. This way they can have a big/noisy PC with a lot of HDDs and tuners out of the way, and then have a small computer or silent STB sitting next to the TV. It depends on what you want your home setup to look like. In your particular instance, it would be possible to have an extender at your TV, and a copy of Sage server running on a desktop in the office (assuming you have your home networked.) As long as the office computer is on, you have full control of Sage through the extender. The server software takes very little resources to run in this manner so you probably wouldn't notice the added overhead if you were also using your office computer for other things at the same time.


Other flavors of this basic setup of multiple computer can be accomplished with other programs (like BeyondTV and I believe Mediaportal) however to my knowledge SageTV is the only system that has a set top box option that offers a full system control interface identical to the computer interface.


One last thing, Sage has provisions in it to allow for the distribution and playback of ripped CDs, DVDs and Blu Rays too, if you want more than *just* DVR support.


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The main thing that Pay TV really shines on is news/sports and other time sensitive TV. The other 80% of what is on Pay TV is reruns and movies/shows you can get Online/Netflix etc. Nothing worth paying $1,200/yr for IMHO.

Exactly. If you want the Big 10 channel and other similar sports channels a regular DRV and a TV subscription will serve you well. The science and history channels are also great and not as easy to find online. If you just want to watch regular programming, like sitcoms and dramas, free OTA and internet based viewing with a PC based DVR is better and cheaper. Once compression schemes get good enough or the internet bandwidth gets big enough DVR will be obsolete IMO as well. When you can get everything in great quality on demand for free there is no need for a DVR.
 

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Question for those of you who are using your HTPC as a DVR...


When you want to watch regular/live TV (who does that anymore?!), are you stuck watching it on/with the computer? I know it may seem like a stupid question, but I only have one TV and one cable box, so if I go this route, does my computer essentially take the place of my STB? Does this make your viewing experience any different or more troublesome than just using the CC's STB? I can't imagine it would, but everybody has different experiences, so I'd love to get some feedback.

Depends on what I'm watching. On my cable system, all of the broadcast channels and a few of the cable channels are unencrypted. The tuner in my HTPC is QAM capable as is the tuner in my set. So, no, I don't need the computer nor a cable box to watch those channels. For ESPN-HD, TNT-HD, Discovery HD etc, I still need the cable box.


That is, until the CableCard HTPC tuners come out, as others have mentioned. At that point, the cableco's DVR goes back to them.
 

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Question for those of you who are using your HTPC as a DVR...


When you want to watch regular/live TV (who does that anymore?!), are you stuck watching it on/with the computer? I know it may seem like a stupid question, but I only have one TV and one cable box, so if I go this route, does my computer essentially take the place of my STB? Does this make your viewing experience any different or more troublesome than just using the CC's STB? I can't imagine it would, but everybody has different experiences, so I'd love to get some feedback.

The HTPC basically just replaces the cable/sat box, nothing more complicated then that. Media Center is always running on mine so that is all you see (unless I need to update software/driver I never go to the desktop). So I turn on the TV as I always have and there is Media Center. I select the guide and choose a channel and viola, Live TV, just like a cable box. And it's buffering the channel to the hard drive so you can pause and rewind just like a normal DVR.
 
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