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Pity the poor newbies who stumble onto this forum looking for a fairly clear answer to certain important issues, such as whether to buy a new pj NOW or WAIT for further new developments (better technology or lower price) which will be occurring shortly? For example, if a new visitor arrived today, they would see this thread AND this thread , which are certainly sending mixed messages. I hope this isn't heresy, but maybe what we need is a neutral FAQ thread to address both sides of the issue generally, so at least some of the constant re-hashing can be avoided. Or do we just really like to argue about this so much? :)



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Yes, we really like to argue. Addressing that question in a FAQ is like addressing whether less government or more government is good in a FAQ. A FAQ should be used to address issue/facts where there is little or no disagreement such as "how do I determine whether my projector will be bright enough for my desired screen size" (yes, we can even disagree about that one but at least a formula can be provided to calculate footlambertd along with some basic recommendations for minumum footlamberts etc.).


I believe what we need more is a "crazy speculation thread". One thread that everyone that wishes to discuss rumors and science fiction can stay in. David Boulet could be it's moderator and constantly harp about how all the experts that are in the know would love to share their info but won't because jerks like me "create an environment where they are afraid they wil be blasted for sharing info".


Every day someone could announce a new projector discovery and talk about how even though the latest 10000 x 5000 projector wasn't shown at CEDIA, we don't really know that it wasn't there for sure because it could have been shown in a dark smoke filled room where everyone had to sign NDA's.
 

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Being a forum member only since July, I've slogged through a lot of of these forums/threads and have been educated, (I think) confused, entertained etc. Thanks to everybody for their time in responding to questions. When I first joined I clicked on the FAQ link and got only a faq on how to use the forum! It would have been nice to have a "learning center" faq. Now, any volunteers?:eek: :D I think I hear my mom calling!
 

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Well Q, I guess you've made it clear that YOU really like to argue ;), but I don't think it's quite as far-reaching as more government or less government. You've certainly participated in enough of these discussions, so how many posts just during the last year would you estimate were dedicated to this issue vs. the number of posts that have had anything new to say about it.


I'm not suggesting that this is a topic which shouldn't be discussed as further developments continue to occur, but the basic tenets tend to remain the same. A primer for someone who's unfamiliar with this forum, might at least give them the lay of the land as to the pros and cons, and a jumping off point for them, and perhaps for the rest of us.


For example, your point about CEDIA in one of the referenced threads, while generally true, may very well not be the case this time around, based upon information which certain people have heard about availible products/prices that may occur considerably prior to the next CEDIA. But this is the exception to the rule when it gets down to the more basic issues. Or is your tolerance for redundancy greater than it sometimes appears?:D



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For example, your point about CEDIA in one of the referenced threads, while generally true, may very well not be the case this time around, based upon information which certain people have heard about availible products/prices that may occur considerably prior to the next CEDIA.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...65#post2323265
 

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Uhhhmm, why do I get the feeling that I have unintentionally struck a nerve or something? Honestly Q, the point of this thread certainly wasn't directed towards you or anyone else at this forum in particular. It was intended as a potentially helpful suggestion. I've certainly read enough of your posts to know you're trying to make a point, but I'm afraid that this time it's a little too subtle for me. Guess I must be a little off my game today. :eek:



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You have struck no nerve and I never thought the thread was directed at me. You misinterpreted why I was pointing to the link.
 

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I agree with Q (did I really say that :) ) , a faq should be for timeless information that is not debatable (i.e no arguments or opposing views) really they are there as don't bother us we are tired of giving the same answer over and over again. None of the two threads pointed too fulfill the criteria.


I have nothing against a FAQ, just that those two threads were not what should be in one
 

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Great expectations, fabulous gadgets, about to be announced super-duper projectors, laser and... what's BS.


I can tell you that I know who know's most all of it. :) Noticing who hasn't been posting much lately can be relevant to a truth seeker's quest for part of the answers.


By the way I hear David Boulet is a tireless and skilled detective leaving no rock unturned..If he thinks someone know's something he will PM them in the middle of the night forcing the weak to speak.
 

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Anthony, I don't see this quite the same way. I can't think of a single other issue that has been raised on this forum that would qualify more as a Frequently Asked Question (except maybe when a Dwin will ship :) ) , than this one. Having read (and often been involved) in many of these buy vs. wait discussions (with thebland, among others), IMO they tend to be grounded upon very common themes. For example (to just name a few):


Buy -

1) The state of the art is what it is

2) You can be enjoying your pj today

3) There's no point in waiting, or you'll always be waiting for the next illusory latest or greatest to come over the horizon

4) Buy now and sell it later to trade up to something that might really be better.

etc.


Wait -

1) History has shown us that prices will drop substantially in the pj market, either when newer technology is produced or as more competition appears on the scene

2) Technology appears to be advancing more quickly in this field

3) Depreciation on pjs depending on your budget for this hobby, generally doesn't justify selling a pj for the next best thing frequently, unless you're the type who must have the newest toy or you have cash to burn

etc.


Usually, the only distinguishing factor in these discourses is the latest rumor/press release.


Now if some people feel that this type of information should be earned by spending as much time here as most of us regulars do, instead of it just being offered up effortlessly to the uninitiated, I think that's a completely legitimate point and certainly appealing, if not compelling. I guess I was just contemplating a method to help the newest members get up to speed, and the rest of us to avoid undue repetitiveness.


P.S. Sorry, I still don't get QQQ's thread link.



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a faq should be for timeless information that is not debatable (i.e no arguments or opposing views)
Yeah - like "There is no such thing as DLP rainbow" and "Only wusses complain about seeing screen door" and "Yes, Digital PJs are better than CRTs" and "Try crossing your eyes a little to fix screen door."


Seriously, tho - I think a FAQ isn't such a bad idea. But a good FAQ needs one person who is really driving it (at least initially). I don't have time right now to volunteer, but would happily contribute and provide feedback for the sucker... er... enthusiast who DOES take it on! Perhaps a wiki?
 

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let's say


question: should I buy a projector now


answer:
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Buy -

1) The state of the art is what it is

2) You can be enjoying your pj today

3) There's no point in waiting, or you'll always be waiting for the next illusory latest or greatest to come over the horizon

4) Buy now and sell it later to trade up to something that might really be better.

etc.


Wait -

1) History has shown us that prices will drop substantially in the pj market, either when newer technology is produced or as more competition appears on the scene

2) Technology appears to be advancing more quickly in this field

3) Depreciation on pjs depending on your budget for this hobby, generally doesn't justify selling a pj for the next best thing frequently, unless you're the type who must have the newest toy or you have cash to burn

etc.
does it answer his question?


No. Since

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Usually, the only distinguishing factor in these discourses is the latest rumor/press release.
so what does that imply, that the person still needs to read all the current threads (to find the rumors and press releases) so your primary goal

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I guess I was just contemplating a method to help the newest members get up to speed, and the rest of us to avoid undue repetitiveness.
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Anthony,


If you go back and re-read my posts, you'll see that I never suggested that this type of FAQ would provide a yes or no answer as to buying or waiting. That's clearly a personal decision that each individual must make for themselves based upon their own needs and means. That's why I suggeted this as a jumping off point which lays out the general factors that tend to be repeated continually, apart from a specific product and/or technology. It is a baseline from which further discussion could proceed.


In fact, now that I've gone back and read Q's original post (which was apparently re-edited while I was preparing my reply to it), I think a FAQ for calcuating screen size generally would also be useful as this comes up routinely, perhaps accompanied by a list of the spec'd throw distance for the current pjs in this forum's price range. Same reasoning would apply for Panamorph and Isco lenses.


While there probably wouldn't be universal agreement as to any of these issues at this forum, I think its probably better than starting at ground zero.



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I don't disagree on the usefulness of a FAQ. I think it would be a good place for


what are rainbows

what is screen door

how can you minimize screen door (or rainbows)....

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It is just like I said. If the information changes with time then you won't get rid of people asking. For instance (going back to your example) people will still be asking if "now" is a good time to buy. Because even if you know the reasons to buy or not to buy a projector many of them are dependent on timely information (are prices dropping next week? are new generations of projectors coming out soon?....) so the person will either read the posts or ask the question
 

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I agree that an FAQ would probably be a good idea. Unfortunately, it would probably be difficult to put one together that would not be attacked by various people as being biased.


There are quite a few people in this forum who take the subject a little too seriously... Some people have very strong need to have their purchase decisions validated by approval and agreement from others.


Not to mention that some people just like to argue. Oh well, that is part of the fun of a forum like this!
 

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Not to mention that some people just like to argue.
I disagree.
 
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