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I have a 42" 720p Plasma Model TC-P42X3 purchased back in July 2011, TV is manufactured in March 2011. TV is working perfectly.  It has 2488 hours of operation.  I really cannot stand LED picture quality and I do not care about 1080p for watching videos/tv.  So not sure if OLED prices will reach the masses soon.  TV is going out of warranty in about 6 months.

 

Not sure if I can just deal with current TV and deal with replacements parts in case something happens or it will worth it to but buy the newer model TC-P42X60?

 

Thanks!
 

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Hello Guys:


I have a 42" 720p Plasma Model TC-P42X3 purchased back in July 2011, TV is manufactured in March 2011. TV is working perfectly.  It has 2488 hours of operation.  I really cannot stand LED picture quality and I do not care about 1080p for watching videos/tv.  So not sure if OLED prices will reach the masses soon.  TV is going out of warranty in about 6 months.


Not sure if I can just deal with current TV and deal with replacements parts in case something happens or it will worth it to but buy the newer model TC-P42X60?


Thanks!

Not sure I understand your question. You panel is basically still new as you only have 2,488 hours. If you don't care about 1080p and are not going up in screen size, then there is no need to upgrade, in my view. Most people upgrade for larger screen sizes, better resolution and pq. If what you have works perfectly, for you, and you are happy, I would say save your money.
 

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Not sure I understand your question. You panel is basically still new as you only have 2,488 hours. If you don't care about 1080p and are not going up in screen size, then there is no need to upgrade, in my view. Most people upgrade for larger screen sizes, better resolution and pq. If what you have works perfectly, for you, and you are happy, I would say save your money.
Thanks Cuda1169, yes you understood my question right.  My doubt was that if it would be necessary to purchase last Panasonic plasma model with same specs ( 42" is the right size for my bedroom and 1080p is no longer available on such Plasma size)  to be "better" covered in case OLED will be cheap until 2020, let´s hope 2016-2017! 

 

Thanks for your opinion, I will save the money and will purchase replacements parts if necessary.

 

Thanks again!
 

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Originally Posted by figo123  /t/1501396/is-it-worth-to-buy-a-new...model-in-order-to-wait-for-oled#post_23989639


Hello Guys:


I have a 42" 720p Plasma Model TC-P42X3 purchased back in July 2011, TV is manufactured in March 2011. TV is working perfectly.  It has 2488 hours of operation.  I really cannot stand LED picture quality and I do not care about 1080p for watching videos/tv.  So not sure if OLED prices will reach the masses soon.  TV is going out of warranty in about 6 months.


Not sure if I can just deal with current TV and deal with replacements parts in case something happens or it will worth it to but buy the newer model TC-P42X60?


Thanks!

If you don't care for 1080p, I don't understand why you would be interested in OLED? You have a low end plasma, and you are considering getting another low end plasma to upgrade, OLED is in another level for you, I wouldn't even consider it. If something went wrong with your tv, I would just upgrade to a better one, wouldn't even bother fixing it.
 
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If you don't care for 1080p, I don't understand why you would be interested in OLED? You have a low end plasma, and you are considering getting another low end plasma to upgrade, OLED is in another level for you, I wouldn't even consider it. If something went wrong with your tv, I would just upgrade to a better one, wouldn't even bother fixing it.
 

OLED has better picture than Plasma, it is not a matter if it is 720p or 1080p, OLED has better picture quality than Plasma (contrast,colors, etc)  I cannot buy OLED today because it costs $8,000+, but in the future it will be available to the masses, no matter if it is 720p,1080p or 4K I will buy it, simply because it has better picture quality than Plasma. 

 

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a) Resolution alone is no indication of picture quality.

 

b) My low end plasma blows out of the water 99% of all 1080p LCD/LEDs currently on the market except for computer/gaming usage since my plasma is 720p against 1080p that it is better for such usage. A 720p Plasma TV  can look way better than a 4K LED/LCD. People will never understand that fact, that is probably one of the factors that Panasonic considered to quit making Plasmas.
 

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I think the accurate statement would be "resolution alone is no indication of picture quality," as it is certainly a component of PQ, just not the most important one (near the bottom of the list, in fact). The biggest area of OLED improvement is the contrast...plasma already has mastered color reproduction (that can't be significantly improved without an upgrade of the color space, which is where future HDMI revisions come in). As of this moment, OLED motion processing is also a weak point.
 

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OLED has better picture than Plasma, it is not a matter if it is 720p or 1080p, OLED has better picture quality than Plasma (contrast,colors, etc)  I cannot buy OLED today because it costs $8,000+, but in the future it will be available to the masses, no matter if it is 720p,1080p or 4K I will buy it, simply because it has better picture quality than Plasma. 

 

FYI:

 

a) Resolution alone is no indication of picture quality.

 

b) My low end plasma blows out of the water 99% of all 1080p LCD/LEDs currently on the market except for computer/gaming usage since my plasma is 720p against 1080p that it is better for such usage. A 720p Plasma TV  can look way better than a 4K LED/LCD. People will never understand that fact, that is probably one of the factors that Panasonic considered to decide to stop making Plasmas.
 

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I think the accurate statement would be "resolution alone is no indication of picture quality," as it is certainly a component of PQ, just not the most important one (near the bottom of the list, in fact). The biggest area of OLED improvement is the contrast...plasma already has mastered color reproduction (that can't be significantly improved without an upgrade of the color space, which is where future HDMI revisions come in). As of this moment, OLED motion processing is also a weak point.
 

Thanks Vinnie97, I corrected my initial post with your statement!  You are totally correct.  We will need to wait for OLED and see what happens, I am kind of "scared" that the LED/LCD 4K "crap" will delay even more or even "kill" the time when OLED will be available to the masses.

 

We will have to wait and see what happens!
 

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OLED has better picture than Plasma, it is not a matter if it is 720p or 1080p, OLED has better picture quality than Plasma (contrast,colors, etc)  I cannot buy OLED today because it costs $8,000+, but in the future it will be available to the masses, no matter if it is 720p,1080p or 4K I will buy it, simply because it has better picture quality than Plasma. 


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a) Resolution is no indication of picture quality.


b) My low end plasma blows out of the water 99% of all 1080p LCD/LEDs currently on the market except for computer/gaming usage since my plasma is 720p against 1080p that it is better for such usage. A 720p Plasma TV  can look way better than a 4K LED/LCD. People will never understand that fact, that is probably one of the factors that Panasonic considered to decide to stop making Plasmas.

I agree with OLED being having better pic quality than plasma, as for blowing 99% of 1080p LCD out of the water, yeah in 42" sizes but you can't compare a 42" with a 60". You are wrong thinking a 720p plasma can look better than a 4K panel. Again if your panel was the same size it wouldn't do so well compared to 4K the same size playing at each tv native's resolution. I know resolution is not indication of better picture quality, Seiki tv's are a good example. OLED won't be affordable for another couple of years, so I would upgrade now before all Panny plasmas are gone or wait a couple of years to get an OLED.
 

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I think the accurate statement would be "resolution alone is no indication of picture quality," as it is certainly a component of PQ, just not the most important one (near the bottom of the list, in fact). The biggest area of OLED improvement is the contrast...plasma already has mastered color reproduction (that can't be significantly improved without an upgrade of the color space, which is where future HDMI revisions come in). As of this moment, OLED motion processing is also a weak point.

Not too mention we have don't know how well OLEDs will maintain their calibration and overall PQ over time. Will they deteriorate like SXRD did? I don't want to go down that path again. I will wait until OLED is somewhat mature and having proved itself out.
 

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I agree with OLED being having better pic quality than plasma, as for blowing 99% of 1080p LCD out of the water, yeah in 42" sizes but you can't compare a 42" with a 60". You are wrong thinking a 720p plasma can look better than a 4K panel. Again if your panel was the same size it wouldn't do so well compared to 4K the same size playing at each tv native's resolution. I know resolution is not indication of better picture quality, Seiki tv's are a good example. OLED won't be affordable for another couple of years, so I would upgrade now before all Panny plasmas are gone or wait a couple of years to get an OLED.
 

I am 99% sure any Panasonic plasma will look way better than most of all LED/LCD at any size, even at 4K for watching TV/movies, 4K if I am correct is just a marketing strategy to extend LED/LCD market penetration, "4K" still has all the image problems that most LED´s have until today.

 

If you buy a 4K set, you will be very lucky to upscale 99% of video material to 4K, which means you will not appreciate the 4K native resolution that those sets have or are supposed to have, so guess what, the image will still suffer a lot, it will look like crap, LCD/LEDs suffer a lot at non-native resolutions.
 

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I am 99% sure any Panasonic plasma will look way better than most of all LED/LCD at any size, even at 4K for watching TV/movies, 4K if I am correct is just a marketing strategy to extend LED/LCD market penetration, "4K" still has all the image problems that most LED´s have until today.


If you buy a 4K set, you will be very lucky to upscale 99% of video material to 4K, which means you will not appreciate the 4K native resolution that those sets have or are supposed to have, so guess what, the image will still suffer a lot, it will look like crap, LCD/LEDs suffer a lot at non-native resolutions.

Haha, I agree with Panasonic Plasmas will outperform LCD in picture quality performance, I have one. That's beside the point you were stating your "42" 720 panel would kill 99% of LCD out there", it wouldn't. I'm not putting your set down, I just couldn't understand why you would be interested in high end picture quality, when you are interested in upgrading now with the lowest end panel.
 

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Haha, I agree with Panasonic Plasmas will outperform LCD in picture quality performance, I have one. That's beside the point you were stating your "42" 720 panel would kill 99% of LCD out there", it wouldn't. I'm not putting your set down, I just couldn't understand why you would be interested in high end picture quality, when you are interested in upgrading now with the lowest end panel.
 

Latinoheat: Plasma Technology is better than LCD/LED technology at any resolution or size. That was my point.  I believe that there are like  4 LED sets that costs like $3000-$5000 that are great sets but they are just 4 sets and really expensive.

 

It is not possible for me to upgrade, 42" is more than enough for my bedroom.  I do really hope that first OLED panels available to the masses would be 1080p, I do not want to upscale most of the video content to 4K, image quality would suffer as well.  And I do not believe 720p,1080p standards for TV, Cable channels, etc will be upgraded to 4K in the near future.  4K  is just pure crap in my humble opinion and people will buy lots of 4K TVs simply because it is better resolution than 1080p but there is not enough material at 4K natively, so it is simply a waste of resolution. Part of a marketing strategy.
 

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Its is not possible for me to upgrade, 42" is more than enough for my bedroom.  I do really hope that first OLED panels available to the masses would be 1080p, I do not want to upscale most of the video content to 4K, image quality would suffer as well.  And I do not believe 720p,1080p standards for cable channels, etc will be upgraded to 4K in the near future.  4K  is just pure crap in my humble opinion and people will buy lots of 4K TVs simply because it is better resolution than 1080p but there is not enough material at 4K natively, so it simply is just a waste of resolution.

Yeah 42" is big enough for a bedroom setup or sure. I don't see OLED coming out with 720p sets, we are moving forwards not backwards. As for 4K, at this moment it is not very beneficial but it will be. It will eventually come in cable/sat signals in a few years here in North America. Asia is rumoured they will have a UHD satellite by next year and Netflix is already in the works of streaming 4K content. Although none are true 4K , they are streamed or have processing going on, 4K Blu rays are coming.
 

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Yeah 42" is big enough for a bedroom setup or sure. I don't see OLED coming out with 720p sets, we are moving forwards not backwards. As for 4K, at this moment it is not very beneficial but it will be. It will eventually come in cable/sat signals in a few years here in North America. Asia is rumoured they will have a UHD satellite by next year and Netflix is already in the works of streaming 4K content. Although none are true 4K , they are streamed or have processing going on, 4K Blu rays are coming.
 

Good point, if 4K is going to be available for TV/Cable channels that will be a different story, but I have doubts it will be soon, companies would need to buy new cameras, new equipment, etc.


If changing from SD to HD globally was a difficult process, I do not believe upgrading to 4K will be an easy process. Not sure if the world is prepared or needs that upgrade, keeping in mind that a 4K resolution is just needed for really big TVs for seeing a noticeable improvement on video content, I understand that as a PC monitor it would be great to have a 4K set, but with just video content is a different story.
 

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My TH-50PX80U kills my LN-52A750, I used settings obtained here for both. I am having a hard time deciding between 65VT, 65ZT, Samsung 64, and Sony KDL 65A850. Problem is the tv will go in living room where currently the lcd is hanged. Is not easy to decide and I would prefer a plasma over any LCD.
 

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My TH-50PX80U kills my LN-52A750, I used settings obtained here for both. I am having a hard time deciding between 65VT, 65ZT, Samsung 64, and Sony KDL 65A850. Problem is the tv will go in living room where currently the lcd is hanged. Is not easy to decide and I would prefer a plasma over any LCD.
Gianny: That is correct, plasma technology is the better one for picture quality, it is better than LED at any size/resolution. Check OmniMount or other hanging solutions.
 

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Thanks Cuda1169, yes you understood my question right.  My doubt was that if it would be necessary to purchase last Panasonic plasma model with same specs ( 42" is the right size for my bedroom and 1080p is no longer available on such Plasma size)  to be "better" covered in case OLED will be cheap until 2020, let´s hope 2016-2017! 


Thanks for your opinion, I will save the money and will purchase replacements parts if necessary.


Thanks again!

Sounds good. I wouldn't worry about being out of warranty. Replacement parts are likely not necessary. I have an LCD that is 7 years old and going strong, with the exception of the clouding that drove me to plasma.
 

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buy the tv you will still want to be using in 3yrs.


if you are ok watching a 42" 720p tv in 2016, then by all means, just leave it. I don't think TV's magically explode after warranty expire...haha. personally, that thought scares me almost as much as having to use an edge-lit LED anywhere outside the bathroom, and I would be replacing not only my main tv, but probably my bedroom and living room TV's as well, haha.


Samsung is still a reasonable option for at least another year too, keep that in mind.
 
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Good point, if 4K is going to be available for TV/Cable channels that will be a different story, but I have doubts it will be soon, companies would need to buy new cameras, new equipment, etc.



If changing from SD to HD globally was a difficult process, I do not believe upgrading to 4K will be an easy process. Not sure if the world is prepared or needs that upgrade, keeping in mind that a 4K resolution is just needed for really big TVs for seeing a noticeable improvement on video content, I understand that as a PC monitor it would be great to have a 4K set, but with just video content is a different story.

I don't even have 1080p cable available here, heck 90% of what comes down the pipe is still 4:3! uhd sounds like a million years off for anything other than online and disc content. I don't even think streaming is possible with current high speed internet here.
 
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