The sprinkler will not be affected by the subwoofer. I don't know how to best deal with leakage.
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hey guys, as you know my house is being built. There is a new code that every house now should have a sprinkler in every room and even in the basement in case of fire. Can the sprinkler be affected by our subwoofer?
And also, how do we prevent sound leakage on sprinkler heads area?
Thanks,
Neil
And also, how do we prevent sound leakage on sprinkler heads area?
Thanks,
Neil
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Ok. Thanks.
what is supposed to trigger the sprinklers in every room? The smoke detctors?? If that was the case in our house, we would have floods once a year for false alarms because toast or pizza cheese getting a little too done. I can't imagine having to clean up after something like that.
Is it a state law or town ordinance? Unless you are living in a high density building I can't even begin to explain how retarded this building code is. I am also interested to read this ordinance - could you point me in the right direction. This thing just screams of being a couple of plumbers and home builders on the town council and they want to increase business.
I was curious as well and found their building codes on line, could not find mention of the fire sprinklers.
http://www.lith.org/VillageGovernmen.../Chapter24.pdf
Electrical wiring requires EMT conduit
PVC pipe not allowed
Exteriors must be Masonary/stucco
The Codes seem to protect the union workers of Illinois. Think Chicago, Think Teamsters, now you have the picture.
http://www.lith.org/VillageGovernmen.../Chapter24.pdf
Electrical wiring requires EMT conduit
PVC pipe not allowed
Exteriors must be Masonary/stucco
The Codes seem to protect the union workers of Illinois. Think Chicago, Think Teamsters, now you have the picture.
Illinois has the most stringent (and sometimes ass backwards) Codes. When my company does project in Ill, we just about double our fees for the troubles you have to go through making one person on his high horse happy. I would think this would have to be a high rise and not a single family.
Sprinklers actually aren't a bad idea these days, although being forced to do it would upset me - especially if it was effectively a union employment program. If it could be done inexpensively and your house is pretty nice or you have a lot of nice stuff or kids, I don't think it's a bad investment.
Aesthetic concerns aren't a big deal anymore since very stealthy heads are now available - just a simple white disk on the ceiling covering a recessed head. Newer recessed heads are more inconspicuous than most smoke detectors, actually.
As for reliability, the heads are triggered by heat, not smoke - they're purely mechanical and so are very reliable. It's quite rare they ever pop when there isn't a fire. In most of the unintentional sprinklings, it's in commercial building and somebody hits an exposed head with a ladder or something.
I think I read somewhere that the NFPA (or another group) is even pushing for all residential construction to eventually include sprinkling. If I were building a relatively expensive home these days, I'd seriously consider it if it were economically feasible and in my budget.
SC
Aesthetic concerns aren't a big deal anymore since very stealthy heads are now available - just a simple white disk on the ceiling covering a recessed head. Newer recessed heads are more inconspicuous than most smoke detectors, actually.
As for reliability, the heads are triggered by heat, not smoke - they're purely mechanical and so are very reliable. It's quite rare they ever pop when there isn't a fire. In most of the unintentional sprinklings, it's in commercial building and somebody hits an exposed head with a ladder or something.
I think I read somewhere that the NFPA (or another group) is even pushing for all residential construction to eventually include sprinkling. If I were building a relatively expensive home these days, I'd seriously consider it if it were economically feasible and in my budget.
SC
One other note - I found the NFPA reference I was remembering - it's a 2006 change, which is why may some people may not have heard about this before.
http://www.nfpa.org/newsReleaseDetai...8&itemId=25370
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Your municipality may use portions of the NFPA code in their building code, hence this new requirement. Of course, I'm sure the union in the area had nothing to do with the new code, either. 
I would imagine you may be eligible for a discount on your homeowner's policy, too - depending on the carrier, course.
SC
http://www.nfpa.org/newsReleaseDetai...8&itemId=25370
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| NFPA 5000®: Building Construction and Safety Code® Changes to the 2006 Code affect: * Sprinkler requirements for new one- and two-family dwellings, nursing homes, and nightclub assembly occupancies |
| “The code provision for sprinklers in new one- and two-family dwellings is a milestone in fire protection,†said James M. Shannon, NFPA president. “It is a significant step in reducing the rate of fire death and injury in the place where people are at most risk for fire—their own homes.†|
I would imagine you may be eligible for a discount on your homeowner's policy, too - depending on the carrier, course.
SC
Yes guys, the city where I will be moving is just about 5 miles away from my existing place. It's Huntley. And yes, I spoke to the fire marshall yesterday and sprinkler was required on every new construction house late 2004. I don't know where to find the document though. It's ok with me.
Going back to my question: It's because my current subwoofer shakes my existing room where I watch movies. I can hear the rattle and vibrations on some of my drop ceiling panels when there is a really low sound. So, what is the concern here? I'm building my new dedicated home theater room and I will be using drywall. This is just my guess. If I try to house the sprinkler on a small housing to prevent the sound leakage, I'm afraid that ceiling might produce a lot of vibrations thereby shaking the pipe. Again, it's just a guess.
What do you think guys?
Going back to my question: It's because my current subwoofer shakes my existing room where I watch movies. I can hear the rattle and vibrations on some of my drop ceiling panels when there is a really low sound. So, what is the concern here? I'm building my new dedicated home theater room and I will be using drywall. This is just my guess. If I try to house the sprinkler on a small housing to prevent the sound leakage, I'm afraid that ceiling might produce a lot of vibrations thereby shaking the pipe. Again, it's just a guess.
What do you think guys?
Sprinkler systems make it through earthquakes without going off unless its a real bad EQ or a fire starts. No matter where you are in the country, buildings and all that goes into them, need to meet a minimum earthquake load. You would have to have a very health sub to register on the Richter scale, but that would be awesome.
Use an acoustical sealant around the penetration (like any other penetration), and plan to use hangers on the sprinkler pipes if allowed. Call that Marshall back and get him an A&E Spec (architects and engineering) sheet on the RSIC and/or Kinetics IsoMax hangers to see if he will approve either of them.
Whether or not you arer allowed to hang the pipe on isolation for that zone, you will have to live with a slight compromise in the overall noise control plan because you cannot totally decouple a sprinkler pipe... The good thing is that once it is properly sealed, the exposed head represents a very small overall portion of the surface area of the room. There won't be a lot of vibration transferred as in the case of 15 ft+ long sections of sheetrock on 16" centers attached directly to the home's frame or something like that.
Also, I am sure that your builder knows about the hideaway heads, but they cost more and may not be standard... Make sure you have the option...
Whether or not you arer allowed to hang the pipe on isolation for that zone, you will have to live with a slight compromise in the overall noise control plan because you cannot totally decouple a sprinkler pipe... The good thing is that once it is properly sealed, the exposed head represents a very small overall portion of the surface area of the room. There won't be a lot of vibration transferred as in the case of 15 ft+ long sections of sheetrock on 16" centers attached directly to the home's frame or something like that.
Also, I am sure that your builder knows about the hideaway heads, but they cost more and may not be standard... Make sure you have the option...
BTW, fire sprinklers are extremely reliable HEAT triggered mechanical devices.
There are no electronic parts at all like cheap smoke detectors use.
When a smoke detector falses, the worst thing that happens is a loud noise and maybe an alarm trigger if they are intregrated.
When a fire sprinkler falses, it can ruin a house with water damage and require many thousands of dollars of remediation.
There are no electronic parts at all like cheap smoke detectors use.
When a smoke detector falses, the worst thing that happens is a loud noise and maybe an alarm trigger if they are intregrated.
When a fire sprinkler falses, it can ruin a house with water damage and require many thousands of dollars of remediation.
Get really good flood insurance.
Don't sprinklers have to be tested every so often? I could have swore someone mentioned that before. Though I have no clue how they test the system.
Don't sprinklers have to be tested every so often? I could have swore someone mentioned that before. Though I have no clue how they test the system.
cool, that means I'm ok. Well, I hope someone here have a nice idea of preventing sound leakage on the sprinkler.
cool, that means I'm ok. Well, I hope someone here have a nice idea of preventing sound leakage on the sprinkler.according to this artical they don't go off accidently very often. this artical also explains how these sprinklers work, maybe it will make you feel better.
fire sprinklers
fire sprinklers
Not going off very often is not good enough for me - my place doesn't burn down very often either. If it was a smoke dectector that falsed not very often that wouldn't be such a problem as your ears would only hurt. However if your sprinkler goes off false it ruins anything electronic and most other non-metal things.
As safe as sprinklers may be, I guarantee that not having a sprinkler system has a lower chance of ruining your home than having one. It boils down to very simple game theory. Basically in the event a sprinkler is triggered propperly, it's going to ruin your house putting out the fire. In the event that it isn't there your house is ruined due to fire. In the event that it goes off false your house is ruined due to water... if you don't have one it doesn't go off unnecessarily.
According to the NCIPC out of more than 400,000 fires that fire fighters responded to in 2003 only 3145 people died. Thus, less than 1% of major fires = a single death. Ten times that many people are killed each year due to firearms. Should we force clothing manufacturers to make clothing bulletproof? Also of note, more than half of the deaths were in homes without a working smoke detector.
Like Pascals wager, you ignore the lose lose situation and look at the win loose situation. The fire here is lose lose - the false is win/lose. I am not saying it's not worth it for some people. I may consider it differently if I had a disability or a family member with one or maybe an infant or todller, but overall I would say this is more of a retirement program for pipe fitters than a public safety concern.
I love apple pie. It's delicious! But I hate it when it's shoved down my throat.
As safe as sprinklers may be, I guarantee that not having a sprinkler system has a lower chance of ruining your home than having one. It boils down to very simple game theory. Basically in the event a sprinkler is triggered propperly, it's going to ruin your house putting out the fire. In the event that it isn't there your house is ruined due to fire. In the event that it goes off false your house is ruined due to water... if you don't have one it doesn't go off unnecessarily.
According to the NCIPC out of more than 400,000 fires that fire fighters responded to in 2003 only 3145 people died. Thus, less than 1% of major fires = a single death. Ten times that many people are killed each year due to firearms. Should we force clothing manufacturers to make clothing bulletproof? Also of note, more than half of the deaths were in homes without a working smoke detector.
Like Pascals wager, you ignore the lose lose situation and look at the win loose situation. The fire here is lose lose - the false is win/lose. I am not saying it's not worth it for some people. I may consider it differently if I had a disability or a family member with one or maybe an infant or todller, but overall I would say this is more of a retirement program for pipe fitters than a public safety concern.
I love apple pie. It's delicious! But I hate it when it's shoved down my throat.
Unions and firemen have nothing to do with code requiring sprinklers.
Insurance companies do. So put the blame in the right place. Besides, once you move in its not like you cant disconnect the sprinkler system. In fact I beleive they even have emergency shut off valves.
Insurance companies do. So put the blame in the right place. Besides, once you move in its not like you cant disconnect the sprinkler system. In fact I beleive they even have emergency shut off valves.
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KennyG,
Your application of Pascal's Wager in this is pretty rediculous. Blaise was an amazing theologian and mathematician who made great strides that we still use today. His theory does not have a lose-lose situation ever. That the very point he was making,If you truly follow christ, your life is not harmed even if Jesus never did walk this Earth. Comparing sprinklers to religion...never a good idea. BTW, any possible way to save lives even if it ruins your house in the process is a plus in my book. You make it sound like your prized possesion is your house and not your family.
| Originally Posted by ICLKennyG Not going off very often is not good enough for me - my place doesn't burn down very often either. If it was a smoke dectector that falsed not very often that wouldn't be such a problem as your ears would only hurt. However if your sprinkler goes off false it ruins anything electronic and most other non-metal things. As safe as sprinklers may be, I guarantee that not having a sprinkler system has a lower chance of ruining your home than having one. It boils down to very simple game theory. Basically in the event a sprinkler is triggered propperly, it's going to ruin your house putting out the fire. In the event that it isn't there your house is ruined due to fire. In the event that it goes off false your house is ruined due to water... if you don't have one it doesn't go off unnecessarily. According to the NCIPC out of more than 400,000 fires that fire fighters responded to in 2003 only 3145 people died. Thus, less than 1% of major fires = a single death. Ten times that many people are killed each year due to firearms. Should we force clothing manufacturers to make clothing bulletproof? Also of note, more than half of the deaths were in homes without a working smoke detector. Like Pascals wager, you ignore the lose lose situation and look at the win loose situation. The fire here is lose lose - the false is win/lose. I am not saying it's not worth it for some people. I may consider it differently if I had a disability or a family member with one or maybe an infant or todller, but overall I would say this is more of a retirement program for pipe fitters than a public safety concern.I love apple pie. It's delicious! But I hate it when it's shoved down my throat. |
KennyG,
Your application of Pascal's Wager in this is pretty rediculous. Blaise was an amazing theologian and mathematician who made great strides that we still use today. His theory does not have a lose-lose situation ever. That the very point he was making,If you truly follow christ, your life is not harmed even if Jesus never did walk this Earth. Comparing sprinklers to religion...never a good idea. BTW, any possible way to save lives even if it ruins your house in the process is a plus in my book. You make it sound like your prized possesion is your house and not your family.
Neil,
I had heard that some villages were requiring sprinklers in new construction, but was unaware that Huntley was one of them. That must be some sub you have. Maybe that explains the rumbling I thought I heard west of Randall Road the other day
Scott
I had heard that some villages were requiring sprinklers in new construction, but was unaware that Huntley was one of them. That must be some sub you have. Maybe that explains the rumbling I thought I heard west of Randall Road the other day
Scott
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