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I really see no reason for a discussion. It's 16:9, it's clearly marketed at Home Theater and it's absolutely useless as a PC desktop in either 856x480 mode or 640x480. Good gracious, you barely get 2 icons on that small of a desktop.
 

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This projector will be kept in this forum as it has been the biggest draw of all to some of the issues leading to the reason we split the forum.


Also its the people who buy this projector(not everyone)who go on repeated rants I HAD TO PAY DUTY DID YOU, HOW MUCH WAS YOUR SHIPPING, ( nobody wants to read this stuff) it was daily posts like these that brought down the spirit of the forum.

Nothing wrong with buying cheap, who would not want to save some money but some of the people buying cheap did not stop at just buying the projector but capitalized on their cheapness after the purchase of their projector complaining publicly for everything they had to pay for.

The worst part is these posts were being posted every day.



Aside from the above please read:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=139948
 

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Alan, another option is to put ALL inquiries as to where/how to get a projector (both low and high-end) in a "Home Theater Marketplace" forum. Of course, you could still apply your rules as to what info is allowed. It might make it easier to try to corral all dealer references (both within and outside of your rules) in one place.
 

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Hmmmm.... I wonder where the LS110 a home theater projector that is under $5000 MSRP will go?
 

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Alan,

Hmmmmm....interesting, your choice of words....you seem to be sending mixed messages. You use the term "cheap" when describing both the projector and the purchasers of same. You refer to another "sub $5000" pj as being included in the over $5000 category as it is "clearly designed for HT" One would get the message that you have a clear disdain for us plebians of HT.


Marketing 101 would or should have taught you a few things......firstly, it's not nice to insult people, especially potential clients. Secondly, Cheapskates like me have been introduced to a lifelong interest in HT now. You might be surprised to find out that I have ordered an HTPC from AVScience and am about to place an order with Better cables (a sponsor I believe). I know that if this is anything like my passions for archery & homebrewing, I'll end up with "upgradeitis" from which you'll probably benefit. These are just my thoughts, take them as you wish.

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Hi Greg


People want to know the truth why we made the change. Im not sugar coating or hiding anything. Sometimes I take the good with the bad and in this case it wont be any different. Im not going to hide behind a false excuse.


This is not happening because I dont like cheap projectors but because the forum members are complaining and want something done.


Im am a little different than the competing forums. I also sell and have to balance my decisions and sometimes they can turn around and bite me but at least I can sleep at night because I am straight forward about things.


Also I am not punishing those who buy (cheap). The problem lies with those who clog up the forum with repeated posts. That's the problem. Where do these people come from(the cheap projector camp).

Does this mean everyone who buys a portable presentation projector

falls into this same camp. NO.

Do I see support from the guys on the forum who buy these projectors

telling the ones posting the repeated posts to please ease up its getting ridicules No. So now it is my job and I am getting the bad name for it.


Not to mention the sleazy online dealer tactics that have come along with this issue. Its a mess and needs cleaning up.

I do not know any other way to deal with it.


I dont expect to make everyone happy with this decision but I dont expect to make anyone happy just letting it go.


I appreciate the support from our buyers. We offer great deals and support after the sale. We even offer cheap deals.

Im sure I will loose a sale or 2 from people that do not agree with my decision or my wording but I am telling it like it is.

I hope I gain respect for that at least.


Thanks!!
 

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Question to the 3 people have answered that the AE100 is "better for presentations"...


What presentations are you running that need a non-4:3 AR desktop??? Also, what are you putting on the screen that requires such low resolution?
 

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You missed my previous post.

Im not questioning the projectors worth or performance. Im sure its a great projector.


Most of our complaints have come from this projector.


Complaints that read as follow:

We are sick of the repeated posts over and over saying the same thing every day complaining about shipping and paying duties and US pricing and a screen is to expensive and where do I buy a cheap mount because the mount cost to much mostly come from people who bought this projector.


That is why this projector is being included in this forum. Along with the problems Ive had from dealers spamming the forum for this projector. This gives me a separate area to set the filters and keep an eye on whats going on.


Who knows I may buy one of these units but I wont be posting on the forum I dont want to pay DHL shipping cost right after another guy just posted that same topic. People dont want to read this stuff.


The forum got boring because of this. It was done in high volume to the point I got over run with complaints.


I hope things smooth out and maybe things will be merged again but in the meantime I need a way to monitor dealers coming online to gain sales as well as take care of the numerous complaints.
 

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Alan---


I'm not asking WHY the AE100 is here. I don't really care--- you want it here, fine, no problemo! Put an AE100 only forum called "AE100 and it's [email protected] owners".... whatever! I agree with the split.


I don't even care what people think of it's performance.

My ONLY question is why do people classify this as a presentation projector and not a "real" HT projector??


Are the lumen too low? Is contrast too low? Is price too low? Is PQ too lousy? What? I'm not looking for justification why it's here--- you've given plenty of good reasons!


But, WHY IS THE AE100 not A REAL HT PROJECTOR??? I cannot for the life of me see how anybody would/is using this thing for presentations?
 

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The people who buy this projector(not everyone)who go on repeated rants I HAD TO PAY DUTY DID YOU, HOW MUCH WAS YOUR SHIPPING, ( nobody wants to read this stuff) it was daily posts like these that brought down the spirit of the forum.



Alan,


I acknowledge this problem, but I am curious to hear your reasoning for not splitting out all the pre-purchase noise into a forum specifically for discussing the purchase of projectors (within the limits of your guidelines) if that was your issue?


What is to prevent repetitive pre-purchase noise in the +5000 category when a new, not widely available HT projector hits the market? Also, when the perfect $4000 MSRP HT projector is released, the delineation makes even less sense as further exceptions will be required.


This post is not a criticism of the action taken, just an inquiry about the declined approaches and how you foresee things working out in the long term.


{Edit - Alan, From your most recent post the reasoning seems very clear...The split wasn't a strategic move to tailor the forum in some grand vision, it was a response to a situation, an action that allows you to monitor things more closely for some of the issues you mentioned. In this context it really doesn't matter where the split occurs, so long as you have the type of posts you want somewhat quarantined for observation. I hope, as you said, that after this hubub is over, you will consider rejoining the two. --thanks}
 

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Ryan---


Presumably the big ticket purchasers don't care about $30 shipping and $90 duty. I don't care about shipping or duty and I could care less about people buying non-warranted stuff from Japan.
 

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Alan,

Interesting marketing approach, never thought labeling customers and their equipment as cheap (& somehow not HT calibre in the case of the pj) would be a boost for sales.....but I guess you know best.

Cheers,

Greg
 

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I just spent sometime and did a search on the net to numerous sites and yes indeed the AE100 is a HT projector.


If anyone else have their doubts I did a search to numerous sites and all of them market this unit as a HT projector. Also I found that even Panasonic does not support this unit in the presentation section.


So yes indeed I stand corrected!


This looks like a very nice projector.
 

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Alan,


Maybe a filter function would be nice someday...and perhaps a forum unsplit can occur at that time.


I found it easier to skip anything with AE100 in the title (like I skipped anything with LT100 in the title) than I do looking in two forums.


But yeah, if it wasn't on the first couple of pages I rarely went back to peek at the older sections so a forum split was in order with the current feature set.


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Thank you Alan:


I appreciate that you are finally admitting that our projector is indeed a HT projector and I will again state that I support the true reasoning you gave for the split. I respect the fact that you are now up front on the issue and will support you in it.


I only hope that the AE100 owners that have been on here for any length of time can assist in the toning down of the repetitious annoyance that has come in here as of late. I look forward to the time when the AE100 group will be allowed back into the fold so to speak.


Thanks again for the forum.
 

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Question to the 3 people have answered that the AE100 is "better for presentations"...


What presentations are you running that need a non-4:3 AR desktop??? Also, what are you putting on the screen that requires such low resolution?
I am on of the three that voted that way. I don't necessarily believe that the AE100 is better for presentations, nor do I care. In fact, I might even concede that it is a purebred 100% home theater projector that is useless for presentations. I voted the way I did because the poll is obviously designed to obtain a certain response and advance a certain point of view related to the splitting of the forums, and whether the AE100 is an HT projector is not relevant to that issue. Alan has explained why he split the forums, and it makes perfect sense. And the AE100 is best left on this forum. Taking a poll on whether the AE100 is better for presentations is missing the point and creating "evidence" that is of no value, IMO.
 

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I am on of the three that voted that way. I don't necessarily believe that the AE100 is better for presentations, nor do I care. In fact, I might even concede that it is a purebred 100% home theater projector that is useless for presentations. I voted the way I did because the poll is obviously designed to obtain a certain response and advance a certain point of view related to the splitting of the forums, and whether the AE100 is an HT projector is not relevant to that issue. Alan has explained why he split the forums, and it makes perfect sense. And the AE100 is best left on this forum. Taking a poll on whether the AE100 is better for presentations is missing the point and creating "evidence" that is of no value, IMO.
Well Smitty if you bothered to read any of the posts from myself and others you would have seen that the issue of splitting the forums was already accepted. Alan had stated that in no uncertain terms that the AE100 was a presentation projector and not a HT projector, which bothered some users myself included hence the poll.


As an "Advanced Member" with over 500 posts, I would have expected you to make an informed decision before posting the message I am replying to and/or placing a vote.


At any rate it appears that a rating of "Advanced Member" is words and means nothing of the person behind it.
 

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Alan,


I think your reasons for splitting because of complaints is pretty bad.. To some people paying top dollar isnt an option.. Some people cant always buy the best and want the cheaper alternative.. So what if its posted alot.. I personally like posting things instead of searchin or posting within a post because replies get lost and its easier to get the answer directly to u rather than sifting through hundreds of posts.. Not everyone can pay the top dollar.. People have to live with that.. If other users think they are above other people because they can afford X amount of dollars and are to good to read what people that dont have as much money as others buy and have problems with then I'd tell them thats their problem.. To me it seems that you are one of those people.. Basically your just moving somehting away you dont like..


To say these posts make the forum boring?? I think its the complete opposite as I like to find cheaper alternatives.. Ive found out so many things from peopel buying things that are cheaper in price but not always cheaper in quality.. Just dont do it because one projector has takin control over others.. I dont buy the dealers thing as Ive gotten dealer messages about more expensive projectors.. Ive seen so many different reasons come from the moderators as to the split.. I personally liked it at first but now as I read more and more about it I dont like it one bit.. Im sorry if im sounding mean but these are my personal views and Im sure others feel the same.. If we complain enough about the split wont you then listen to us and put it back to gether like the people who complained and got it split?


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Hi Chris

It has nothing to do with cheap projectors and what you can or cannot afford.


It goes beyond the repeated posts. It also brought commercial presentation dealers out of the wood work. Not only did I get complaints all day about the repeated posts I also got complaints from these dealers blowing in other dealers.


There was so much of this going on I could not keep up with it. I work during the day at AV Science so I do not have time to be a full time babysitter and that is what all this turned into.


By taking the problem and putting it in its own area it is much easier for us

to monitor and filter and keep and eye on whos PMing who for sales if we have to.

If things straighten out and the forum turns back into a low maintenance forum than we can merge things back again.


Thanks for everyone's ideas and support.
 
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