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Would you say this is "normal" or "bad" vertical banding for an LED TV? I have a Samsung UN32EH5000.


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For the testing I used this grey image:


 

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Originally Posted by downtownriot  /t/1456452/is-this-normal-or-bad-vertical-banding#post_22925088


Would you say this is "normal" or "bad" vertical banding for an LED TV? I have a Samsung UN32EH5000.


Thank you.



For the testing I used this grey image:



Not unusual at all to see that amount on a grey slide. The big key is if you notice it on solid backgrounds while watching TV or when something pans across the screen. Everyone has a different tolerance level and it will all depend on how noticeable it may or may not be during normal viewing for you to be able to term it "bad".


But let's just say I have seen much, much worse than that.
 

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Originally Posted by downtownriot  /t/1456452/is-this-normal-or-bad-vertical-banding#post_22925088


Would you say this is "normal" or "bad" vertical banding for an LED TV? I have a Samsung UN32EH5000.


Thank you.



For the testing I used this grey image:



that's actually quite a bit better than on my TS01 (S-PVA panel) UN46EH6030


which panel version do you have?




also, vertical banding is most visible on dark grey test patterns... so check dark grey patterns to see vertical banding at its worst (those grays are somewhat brighter than the ones I'd use to expose vertical banding on a set)
 

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Originally Posted by downtownriot  /t/1456452/is-this-normal-or-bad-vertical-banding#post_22925088


Would you say this is "normal" or "bad" vertical banding for an LED TV? I have a Samsung UN32EH5000.


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For the testing I used this grey image:


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Unless it appears more pronounced on darker gray screens or as when panning on a football or soccer field, that screen looks fairly decent.


"Vertical" banding often shows more defined dark to lighter borders. Based on your pictures, your panel just shows some typical lighter and darker screen areas that blend pretty well.


If you see little or no banding when program material is being watched I would say you have a good TV panel. It looks about typical and better than some of the 8 TVs I've purchased and set up for family and friends.
 

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Originally Posted by Hanna  /t/1456452/is-this-normal-or-bad-vertical-banding#post_22928769


Hi, I just bought a new tv, Samsung 40es6100, and I did this test too but it doesn't look great, what do you think? Thnaks to all in advance.

Unfortunately, unlike the OP images, that looks really bad. I'd return that one immediately.
 

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Originally Posted by cmay91472  /t/1456452/is-this-normal-or-bad-vertical-banding#post_22928857


Unfortunately, unlike the OP images, that looks really bad. I'd return that one immediately.

Thanks, that's what I thought, I didn't notice it yet while watching tv (I didn't have time to see anything properly yet), but I know it's a really bad panel and I could have a better experience with this model. I don't know if the store will replace it or if they will just argue that that's not an issue for them....
 

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Thanks, that's what I thought, I didn't notice it yet while watching tv (I didn't have time to see anything properly yet), but I know it's a really bad panel and I could have a better experience with this model. I don't know if the store will replace it or if they will just argue that that's not an issue for them....

Where did you buy it?
 

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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U  /t/1456452/is-this-normal-or-bad-vertical-banding#post_22927287


that's actually quite a bit better than on my TS01 (S-PVA panel) UN46EH6030


which panel version do you have?




also, vertical banding is most visible on dark grey test patterns... so check dark grey patterns to see vertical banding at its worst (those grays are somewhat brighter than the ones I'd use to expose vertical banding on a set)

I also have the TS01.


Since you have the same panel may I ask if you see faint vertical lines when viewing the "no signal screen" at extreme viewing angles? Anyone know if this is normal at extreme angles? At normal viewing angles the lines aren't visible at all.








Thanks again everyone for all the responses to my original question.
 

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Originally Posted by downtownriot  /t/1456452/is-this-normal-or-bad-vertical-banding#post_22929151


I also have the TS01.


Since you have the same panel may I ask if you see faint vertical lines when viewing the "no signal screen" at extreme viewing angles? Anyone know if this is normal at extreme angles? At normal viewing angles the lines aren't visible at all.








Thanks again everyone for all the responses to my original question.

If they are not visible at regular angles, don't worry about it. Your panel is an example of one that has very minor vertical banding.
 

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If they are not visible at regular angles, don't worry about it. Your panel is an example of one that has very minor vertical banding.

Well that's good to hear, thank you. Would you say most LED/LCDs suffer from some degree of vertical banding?
 

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Originally Posted by downtownriot  /t/1456452/is-this-normal-or-bad-vertical-banding#post_22946053


Well that's good to hear, thank you. Would you say most LED/LCDs suffer from some degree of vertical banding?

Yes, almost all LED panels will display vertical banding to some degree. Some are minimal where it can only be seen on grey scale slides. Others are atrocious such as the Samsung 65ES8000 which is blatantly visible on almost all sources.
 

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the Samsungs with the S-PVA panel seem the most prone to it... other Samsungs with non S-PVA panels (like S-MVA, A-MVA, and Sharp panels) might still have it, but to a significantly lesser degree
 

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It is interesting that some TV makes have a return to banding issues, which really are a manufacturing defect during bonding of the layers that make up an LCD panel. Maybe that's what comes with buying a low end basic feature LED TV.
Not to mention the LEDs can degrade in as few as 10 months use as Chad-B found in a recent thread. Apparently the yellow producing element in the LEDs degrades and produces a color shift. It can sometimes be compensated for in calibration, but over time it is doubtful since it IS the actual light source for the LCD panel.


I have a 6 year old Mitsubishi LT-46231 with the S-PVA and have no banding whatsoever. It is the most uniform LCD panel I've seen compared to 8+ LCD/LED TVs I've purchased for friends and family over the past 2 years or so. It tops the S-IPS panel on my 42LD550 for lighting uniformity and black level also.


Back in '05 to 'early '08 there was no end to banding, columns, and clouding on all the major brands of LCD TVs. I had to return a Toshiba 47" in 2007 because it had three wide bands that were very visible especially on solid color back grounds in scenes.
 

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Originally Posted by Phase700B  /t/1456452/is-this-normal-or-bad-vertical-banding#post_22950665


It is interesting that some TV makes have a return to banding issues, which really are a manufacturing defect during bonding of the layers that make up an LCD panel. Maybe that's what comes with buying a low end basic feature LED TV.
Not to mention the LEDs can degrade in as few as 10 months use as Chad-B found in a recent thread. Apparently the yellow producing element in the LEDs degrades and produces a color shift. It can sometimes be compensated for in calibration, but over time it is doubtful since it IS the actual light source for the LCD panel.


I have a 6 year old Mitsubishi LT-46231 with the S-PVA and have no banding whatsoever. It is the most uniform LCD panel I've seen compared to 8+ LCD/LED TVs I've purchased for friends and family over the past 2 years or so. It tops the S-IPS panel on my 42LD550 for lighting uniformity and black level also.


Back in '05 to 'early '08 there was no end to banding, columns, and clouding on all the major brands of LCD TVs. I had to return a Toshiba 47" in 2007 because it had three wide bands that were very visible especially on solid color back grounds in scenes.

I wouldn't call the Sony 65HX950, Samsung 65ES 8000 or 70 Sharp Elite low end, but all three display vertical banding to some degree with the 65 ES8000 just being flat out atrocious.
 

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Originally Posted by cmay91472  /t/1456452/is-this-normal-or-bad-vertical-banding#post_22950852


I wouldn't call the Sony 65HX950, Samsung 65ES 8000 or 70 Sharp Elite low end, but all three display vertical banding to some degree with the 65 ES8000 just being flat out atrocious.

Wow. . . you're right. It seems perhaps, the whole manufacturing process for LCD panels have spotty quality control. That said, you are likely to have more panel issues with screen sizes over 40".


Also, maybe they try and crank so many out much too fast or other manufacturing process issues enter into it .


Here's an article about banding:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yzYtAsrKPA
 

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I bought a Samsung UN65F8000 a couple of months ago. Never noticed anything until I watched football on it. Particularly on kickoffs, I can see sections of darker and lighter green. I believe this is pretty bad vertical banding, but I really don't know how to best test for banding. Can somebody point me in the right direction? It has a 12 month warranty, so I'd like to get it replaced if it's bad (and it does appear to be to me - very bothersome when watching football).
 

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Originally Posted by downtownriot  /t/1456452/is-this-normal-or-bad-vertical-banding#post_22925088


Would you say this is "normal" or "bad" vertical banding for an LED TV? I have a Samsung UN32EH5000.


Thank you.



For the testing I used this grey image:


 
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