[Jrunr]

I am looking at two sealed subs for HT and music listening to go with a Polk RM 7600 speaker system. What would the difference be, performance wise, between the two? I have a 15X15 room with high ceilings and open up to other parts of the house. I have never been a fan of ported subs so I want to stay with a sealed sub (or two) if possible.


Please let me know what you all think would be the difference between the two aforementioned products.


Thanks!

 

[youngaudiolover]

svs maintain better quality than jamo easily!

Hands down svs!

 

[Jrunr]

Any other "sonic" differences? What would work best? It is all about the sound and impact

 

[Jrunr]

Any other small-ish subs that should be added to this list? Looking to stay at r around $600.

 

[wichitadisciple]

Go SVS, much better than Jamo. There is a thread that compares the Jamo you are speaking of and a Klipsch RW-12D. The conclusion to the tests is that they are equal in terms of performance.

So quotes from the article...

"*This Jamo sub is no where near worth $900 MSRP as compared to other $1000 ID subs."

"The $1000 price point for internet direct subwoofers is a big jump from these mainstream $700 brick and morter retail store subwoofers."


In other words, there is no comparison between Jamo or Klipsch vs. SVS or HSU


In conclusion, go with the SVS. It's a much better sub.


Link to article/thread referenced... http://www.avsforum.com/t/1426307/klipsch-rw-12d-pair-vs-jamo-sub-650-pair-vs-dayton-audio-titanic-mk-iii-sealed-sub-pair-subwoofer-g2g

 

[shadyJ]

I would try the Rumba 12 over the Jamo and SVS subs, if I were going for a sealed 12" sub. It looks like its using a very serious driver, after all how the hell does a sealed 12" sub end up weighing 75 lbs?! The price is right too.

 

[Snowmanick]

Jrunr, what is your budget? The Jamo has been at blow out prices lately (~$250/ea) which can't be ignored. For $500, you're going to have a hard time finding a pair of subs that'll beat the Sub 650. If, on the other hand, you are looking at the Jamo at or near the MSRP of$900/ea, then several subs spring to mind that will be a better option. The aforementioned SVS, Simply Sound Audio Rumba 12, Powersound Audio XS15, and Rythmik F12 all spring to mind. Partly because they are all less than the MSRP of the Jamo.


My concerns about the Jamo are a) if buying clearance/blowout, is the warranty affected b) if buying clearance/blowout is it returnable if it doesn't work or suit your needs c) I've seen more defective Jamo stories than defective SVS/Rythmik stories (both the Rumba and XS15 are new offerings, so it is not really fair to compare on this front).


In the Jamo's defense, Archaea seemed to really like the one he recently picked up, and it seemed to measure well.


Again, as most things do, it comes down to budget. You can pick up two Jamo's on clearance (assuming you can find them) for less than i of any of the above mentioned subs.

 

[Jrunr]

I am trying to stay within the $500-600 range at most. I am also considering something like the Epik Legend as well, but it is quite a bit larger than everything else. SIze is a factor is how everything is set up in my living room... The Rumba has like zero info on it. It looks great on paper, but who actually has one? Who has actually heard one? The ergonomics of it look great, but how is it going to do handling the higher bass notes (60-120ish hertz) when being used with my rather large sub sat system (polk rm 7600)...


These are all things I need to consider. The Jamo is nice but I also cant find it for the low price of $250-300 anymore. If you know of anywhere to get them at that proce, please point me in the direction. lol

 

[jchong]



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Originally Posted by Jrunr  /t/1432709/jamo-sub-650-or-svs-sb12-nsd-differences/0_50#post_22476201


The Rumba has like zero info on it. It looks great on paper, but who actually has one? Who has actually heard one? The ergonomics of it look great, but how is it going to do handling the higher bass notes (60-120ish hertz) when being used with my rather large sub sat system (polk rm 7600)...

There's a thread on the Rumba. You can check there for more info and opinions.


At least it has a 30 day home trial. So you can try it. Of course you'll be out the shipping cost in the event you don't like it. Nevertheless, the specs look good for the Rumba.

 

[Snowmanick]

I haven't seen any of the Jamo's in stock lately, hence my "if you can find it" comment.


As for the Rumba, in addition to the thread on Simply Sound here at AVS, a review was done on the Rumba at Home Theater Shack by Jim Wilson, or Jman as he goes by there. The review has plenty of subjecte observations and some measurements. He also took the Rumba apart so you can get a good peak at the internals.

 

[Jrunr]

Still looking for an "affordable" and "small" sub that can get to 20hz... With the Jamo 650 no longer to be found, whats the next best choice?

 

[Brian Fineberg]

sb12 no doubt

 

[raynist]



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Originally Posted by Jrunr  /t/1432709/jamo-sub-650-or-svs-sb12-nsd-differences#post_22501089


Still looking for an "affordable" and "small" sub that can get to 20hz... With the Jamo 650 no longer to be found, whats the next best choice?

1st choice would be powersound audio xs15 and SVS Sb12 second.

 

[Archaea]



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Originally Posted by wichitadisciple  /t/1432709/jamo-sub-650-or-svs-sb12-nsd-differences/0_20#post_22476008


Go SVS, much better than Jamo. There is a thread that compares the Jamo you are speaking of and a Klipsch RW-12D. The conclusion to the tests is that they are equal in terms of performance.

So quotes from the article...

"*This Jamo sub is no where near worth $900 MSRP as compared to other $1000 ID subs."

"The $1000 price point for internet direct subwoofers is a big jump from these mainstream $700 brick and morter retail store subwoofers."


In other words, there is no comparison between Jamo or Klipsch vs. SVS or HSU


In conclusion, go with the SVS. It's a much better sub.


Link to article/thread referenced... http://www.avsforum.com/t/1426307/klipsch-rw-12d-pair-vs-jamo-sub-650-pair-vs-dayton-audio-titanic-mk-iii-sealed-sub-pair-subwoofer-g2g

I wrote that comparison and don't agree with your summary. There is no question in my mind that I'd prefer two Jamos over a single SVS SB12 with the bonus of spending much less money on the pair of Jamos. 1 on 1 I'd guess the SVS to be better than the Jamo on multiple fronts, (driver quality, box quality, amp reliability) but not twice as good overall.


What you aren't taking account for is that the RW-12D is no slouch. This S&V 2007 review arguably states the RW-12D is better than the 2007 SVS SB12 plus sub (older model) and slightly behind the HSU vtf3-mk2 and Outlaw LFM-1EX.


http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/shootout-five-mid-price-subwoofers




The Jamo was an unrivaled value at $250, which is why I bought one after hearing and measuring a borrowed unit. Unfortunately, the point is moot because the deal is no longer available and the model is retired. The RW-12D remains the budget champion at this time....not because it beats subs that cost $300, but because it beats and rivals subs that cost $600-$700.




I said that it doesn't rival $1000 id subs. The HSU VTF-15H is a in a whole other universe when compared to the Jamo sub 650.

 

[BeeMan458]

I might be considered nit picking but out of fairness, as you noted, that's a five year old article and in my opinion, can't take into considerations changes to contemporary sub designs.


By Ken C. Pohlmann

Posted May 22, 2007

 

[Archaea]

yes it is five years old but SVS has been all the rave for about 10 years. They've made good products for a long time. The outlaw in that article is still current model and very well liked and respected around here.


my point isnt to defame SVS, but rather note the closeout klipsch and jamos are/were exceptional values for $300.

 

[BeeMan458]



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Originally Posted by Archaea  /t/1432709/jamo-sub-650-or-svs-sb12-nsd-differences#post_22506499


yes it is five years old but SVS has been all the rave for about 10 years. They've made good products for a long time. The outlaw in that article is still current model and very well liked and respected around here.

my point isnt to defame SVS, but rather note the closeout klipsch and jamos are/were exceptional values for $300.

What I keyed on was your comment before you posted the link:

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What you aren't taking account for is that the RW-12D is no slouch. This S&V 2007 review arguably states the RW-12D is better than the 2007 SVS SB12 plus sub (older model) and slightly behind the HSU vtf3-mk2 and Outlaw LFM-1EX.

In my head, I'm thinking about today's SVS models vs models five years ago vs Klipsch equivalents.

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The RW-12D remains the budget champion at this time....not because it beats subs that cost $300, but because it beats and rivals subs that cost $600-$700.

Agreeing with you, you're correct when you post that the RW-12D is no slouch and at a closeout of ~$300.00, it's a killer value. I totally missed the $300.00 price point comment. Newegg is currently showing them for $349.00, but that's a niggle. When we have the money, because of the authoritative lower end grunt, I'm looking at a pair of SVS, PB12-NSD. Again, agreeing with you, what ever direction one goes, they're looking at paying close to twice the price to top the performance of the RW-12D.

Another performer in the lower end of the three hundred dollar price range is the BIC PL-200. Digs a bit deeper but not with as much authority as the Klipsch, RW-12D. Just more information to muddy the waters with; depth or authority in presentation. What's it going be?


As to the OP title, as opposed to sealed box vs ported, I choose the ported SVS, PB12-NSD for three reasons:


Depth of frequency response; 110dB @ 10%THD. A pair just makes THX reference levels @

 

[Archaea]

Beeman

Don't put to much confidence in manufacturers specs.


Capricornkid has both rw12d and pl-200. The rw12d is flatter towards 20 hz significantly as noted by his sms-1 graphs. Pl200 does not dig deeper.

 

[BeeMan458]



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Originally Posted by Archaea  /t/1432709/jamo-sub-650-or-svs-sb12-nsd-differences#post_22508032


Beeman

Don't put to much confidence in manufacturers specs.

Capricornkid has both rw12d and pl-200. The rw12d is flatter towards 20 hz significantly as noted by his sms-1 graphs. Pl200 does not dig deeper.

I try to stay away from manufacture specs and as I posted, try to use found testing data, mostly that of waterfall and spectrographs. That's why the request for linked graphed information and when I can, why I post links to information, so folks can see for themselves where I'm coming from. Do you have links to Capricornkid's information?

 

[Archaea]

There is a lot of discussion in here....It got a little heated between the two threads running in parallel on the subject. But you can't say much against the sound and vision review and the graphs captured from capricorn kid. Same room, same placement, same setup, same day.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1364182/list-of-budget-subwoofers-300-and-less/280_20#post_22267268