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My Summer 2009 Blu ray comparison report is finally finished. Before anyone gets upset please keep in mind these are only my personal views and opinions. Everyone's set ups are different and everyone's results may vary. I judged the players on pic Q for Blu ray and SD dvd. I also based sound Q on analog and HDMI. Other criteria considered was build Q, features (including tweaking with picture adjustments) and the overall package. I own duplicate copies of a few titles (Blu ray & SD dvds) so switching back and forth on the fly is very easy. I used a few calibration/test discs but mainly concentrated on REAL time viewing. I started the comparison late last week and literally just finished it about 2 hours ago! This time I decided to go with a rating system. I am only listing the top 5 players but many other models like the Pioneer 23FD/320, Panny BD60, Sony 360, Denon 2500, PS3, JVC, LG (just to name a few I have "played" with) would end up in the mid to upper 80s. Which is actually good! The players that land in the 90s I consider to be reference models. So how did they compare overall?


Jumping right in I spent a lot of time working with the DVD-A1 and 09FD. I consider these the top reference players because they truly offer the entire package. The DVD-A1 was slightly better with both Analog sound and SD dvds. Not by much though and it was seriously like splitting hairs between them. I think most would be more than satisfied with either or. When it came to Blu ray playback this is where I was surprised. The 09FD and DVD-A1 were even most of the time but there were some circumstances where the 09FD showed better color gradations and or depth than the DVD-A1. I was able to confirm that the DVD-A1 passes upconverted 10 bit color whereas the Pioneer 09FD does 16 bit. Now most displays (depending on size and capability) will show nearly the same results. Both players put out a beautiful image and 99% of the owners of either would be more than happy. A huge bonus with these models is Dual HDMI outs. You really get the most optimal picture possible by being able to avoid any "detours" and go directly to your display. If you can avoid receivers/pre-pros and HDMI switchers you are assured to get the best image possible. In the near future I would suspect more models coming that will offer Dual HDMI outs. I still could not find fault with both players (or any in my top 5) when playing Blu ray. These top 2 separate themselves from the others with exceptional analog sound, top notch SD dvd playback and very impressive build qualities. The Denon almost weighs 42 pounds! The 09FD still weighs almost 31 pounds! Very impressive size for "just" being Blu ray players. Still, anyone could and should be happy and satisfied with any of my top 5. Perhaps even more impressive is the fact that the Oppo BDP-83 is in the top 5 class with a MSRP well below the others. Other models are the Sony S5000ES and the Denon 3800. These players still continue to provide very good Blu ray playback as well as SD dvds. Not to mention both have very good analog sound as well. And lastly both have above average build quality. So which player do I keep as my starter? I am leaning towards the 09FD but again both are exceptional and I am even rating the DVD-A1 higher. Not by much (1 point) though.





Reference Player Ratings:


Denon DVD-A1......-98

Pioneer 09FD .......-97

Sony S5000ES......-95

Denon 3800..........-94

Oppo BDP-83........-93




In conclusion... I really enjoyed doing this Summer Shootout/Comparison. I think I may have to start doing it twice a year. Maybe Summer and then Winter? I look forward to reviewing future players even though I truly believe we are at the pinnacle of pic Q. Imagine if they were to improve even by a small margin!
Thanks for reading... And thanks for everyone's support.
 

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My Summer 2009 Blu ray comparison report is finally finished. Before anyone gets upset please keep in mind these are only my personal views and opinions. Everyone's set ups are different and everyone's results may vary. I judged the players on pic Q for Blu ray and SD dvd. I also based sound Q on analog and HDMI. Other criteria considered was build Q, features (including tweaking with picture adjustments) and the overall package. I own duplicate copies of a few titles (Blu ray & SD dvds) so switching back and forth on the fly is very easy. I used a few calibration/test discs but mainly concentrated on REAL time viewing. I started the comparison late last week and literally just finished it about 2 hours ago! This time I decided to go with a rating system. I am only listing the top 5 players but many other models like the Pioneer 23FD/320, Panny BD60, Sony 360, Denon 2500, PS3, JVC, LG (just to name a few I have "played" with) would end up in the mid to upper 80s. Which is actually good! The players that land in the 90s I consider to be reference models. So how did they compare overall?


Jumping right in I spent a lot of time working with the DVD-A1 and 09FD. I consider these the top reference players because they truly offer the entire package. The DVD-A1 was slightly better with both Analog sound and SD dvds. Not by much though and it was seriously like splitting hairs between them. I think most would be more than satisfied with either or. When it came to Blu ray playback this is where I was surprised. The 09FD and DVD-A1 were even most of the time but there were some circumstances where the 09FD showed better color gradations and or depth than the DVD-A1. I was able to confirm that the DVD-A1 passes upconverted 10 bit color whereas the Pioneer 09FD does 16 bit. Now most displays (depending on size and capability) will show nearly the same results. Both players put out a beautiful image and 99% of the owners of either would be more than happy. A huge bonus with these models is Dual HDMI outs. You really get the most optimal picture possible by being able to avoid any "detours" and go directly to your display. If you can avoid receivers/pre-pros and HDMI switchers you are assured to get the best image possible. In the near future I would suspect more models coming that will offer Dual HDMI outs. I still could not find fault with both players (or any in my top 5) when playing Blu ray. These top 2 separate themselves from the others with exceptional analog sound, top notch SD dvd playback and very impressive build qualities. The Denon almost weighs 42 pounds! The 09FD still weighs almost 31 pounds! Very impressive size for "just" being Blu ray players. Still, anyone could and should be happy and satisfied with any of my top 5. Perhaps even more impressive is the fact that the Oppo BDP-83 is in the top 5 class with a MSRP well below the others. Other models are the Sony S5000ES and the Denon 3800. These players still continue to provide very good Blu ray playback as well as SD dvds. Not to mention both have very good analog sound as well. And lastly both have above average build quality. So which player do I keep as my starter? I am leaning towards the 09FD but again both are exceptional and I am even rating the DVD-A1 higher. Not by much (1 point) though.





Reference Player Ratings:


Denon DVD-A1......-98

Pioneer 09FD .......-97

Sony S5000ES......-95

Denon 3800..........-94

Oppo BDP-83........-93




In conclusion... I really enjoyed doing this Summer Shootout/Comparison. I think I may have to start doing it twice a year. Maybe Summer and then Winter? I look forward to reviewing future players even though I truly believe we are at the pinnacle of pic Q. Imagine if they were to improve even by a small margin!
Thanks for reading... And thanks for everyone's support.

Joerod,


Your the reason I bought the Pioneer 09, and I have been extremely pleased with the player. I also own the Oppo which I use in my bedroom set-up. I like the player alot, but love the Pioneer!


Your my favorite poster on AVS keep up your great work!


Thanks,

Mark
 

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Joerod,


Your the reason I bought the Pioneer 09, and I have been extremely pleased with the player. I also own the Oppo which I use in my bedroom set-up. I like the player alot, but love the Pioneer!


Your my favorite poster on AVS keep up your great work!


Thanks,

Mark

Thanks. I appreciate it.
 

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Thanks Joe...

Could you tell any difference in sound quality by using the Denon link and HDMI?


I need a new player and its between the 09 and a Denon with Link (not this one though!
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For what you tried, I'd like to hear your opinions on bang for buck sometime perhaps elsewhere. I understand you listed the top five players here but I'm sure folks would also be interested as well.
 

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For what you tried, I'd like to hear your opinions on bang for buck sometime perhaps elsewhere. I understand you listed the top five players here but I'm sure folks would also be interested as well.

I should do that. Good idea. If you read my reviews and takes I do mention some of the latest as the best in their price class.
 

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Thanks Joe...

Could you tell any difference in sound quality by using the Denon link and HDMI?


I need a new player and its between the 09 and a Denon with Link (not this one though!
)

I have spent a lot of time (comparing) and haven't really done to much A/B between using the Link and not. I will do that this afternoon.
 

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I have spent a lot of time (comparing) and haven't really done to much A/B between using the Link and not. I will do that this afternoon.

Thanks Joe!
 

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One point for $2300..... Tough decision.....



Joe thanks for all of your hard work comparing players!

Your welcome.
 

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Is the player listing order pertain to performance or price points in descending order??


A thankless job but someone has to do it.
 

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Nice review Joe, great job, thanks. Deep down I figured the Pioneer 09 may squeak out ahead of the Denon A1 in some circumstances for the very fact you mention, 10 bit vs 16 bit which should by it's very nature aid in the smoothness of the color gradation when implemented properly.
 

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Is the player listing order pertain to performance or price points in descending order??


A thankless job but someone has to do it.

Didn't even notice that.


You get what you pay for...
 

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Is the player listing order pertain to performance or price points in descending order??


A thankless job but someone has to do it.

I seriously just noticed that. I did not do that on purpose.
 

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Nice review Joe, great job, thanks. Deep down I figured the Pioneer 09 may squeak out ahead of the Denon A1 in some circumstances for the very fact you mention, 10 bit vs 16 bit which should by it's very nature aid in the smoothness of the color gradation when implemented properly.

Still though, the Denon puts out one terrific image with Blu ray. Very hard to find any fault with it. It is that good.
 

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Joerod,


When reviewing the video qualities of each player was each connected directly to your display? It might be beneficial if you could split the scoring into video (HDMI) and sound for which at this point I'm assuming the scoring is applicable for the analog outs. Also, which system was used as reference for your reviews, the Onkyo/Emotiva or the Denon receiver?


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Joerod,


When reviewing the video qualities of each player was each connected directly to your display? Also it might be beneficial if you could split the scoring into video (HDMI) and sound for which at this point I'm assuming the scoring is applicable for the analog outs.

Good point. I will have to consider that. The only ones that were allowed to go directly to my display were the models with Dual HDMI outs. I did just for fun test thim thru my receiver/pre-pro to. But in real life situations they are able to send one directly to the display and one to the receiver/pre-pro. Since they have this capability it os only fair to let them be scored by it.
 

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joerod,


As always, great work.
 

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I'll add my thanks to the list! Great job & I'm sure you enjoyed the time watching & listening to do the comparisons



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