Robman, (or any JP1 knowledgeable members) please help! I got a new ReplayTV 5000 PVR and immediately upgraded the remote with the extender (v1.2 I believe). I used the generic IR text file and added devices for my Sylvania TV/DVD/VCR (code 0821), my 4DTV (plus the new protocol) and my ReplayTV (advanced protocol included). The upload to my remote worked without incident (except the known warning about using a different image than the original remote used). The extender loaded (I get the 4 LED flashes when I first hit the ReplayTV button) but it will not control my TV (power worked once or twice, but not consistently), my 4DTV or the ReplayTV (same intermittent power button working like the TV). Luckily when I bought my original ReplayTV 4000 unit, I also bought a One-4-All 8910, and it has devices/protocols for the advanced ReplayTV, the 4DTV and my Sylvania (all loaded via JP1) working just fine. Can someone please let me know what I might be doing wrong here (the 8910 worked flawlessly, so I at least do have some JP1 knowledge, and "yes", I did try different batteries before writing this plead for help)?
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I was going to recommend you ask at Yahoo or remotecentral, but you are talking about the RTV remote, which, of course, is only used by RTV folks. 
My question is, why not use the 8910? I've got two and would rather have everything on the one remote, even without having to resort to JP1. What's the advantage of the RTV remote, seriously?
My question is, why not use the 8910? I've got two and would rather have everything on the one remote, even without having to resort to JP1. What's the advantage of the RTV remote, seriously?
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While I personally prefer a good universal myself, the RTV remote has labelled buttons for all the Replay functions (except Input, Discrete on and Discrete off) and with the extender, it converts into a 12 device universal remote.
Furthermore, it's only people who've never tried JP1 that use words like "resort". Using an OFA remote without JP1 is kinda like watching TV without Replay. And just watch, the only people that are going to disagree with that will be people who've never tried JP1.
Furthermore, it's only people who've never tried JP1 that use words like "resort". Using an OFA remote without JP1 is kinda like watching TV without Replay. And just watch, the only people that are going to disagree with that will be people who've never tried JP1.
Robman, I (for one) am VERY impressed with not only the ability to use the JP1 interface, but also with all of the great minds that have worked to make those remotes even better than the manufacturer ever intended them to work. The 8910 usually stays upstairs in the bedroom (where my 4k is, and I was hoping to be able to use the 5k remote downstairs with not only the ReplayTV, but also with the 4DTV, the TV, the VCR (yes the kids still use one of those since all of their movies are in that format) and the DVD player to eliminate an entire table top of other remotes. I know I could purchase one more OFA (most likely not the 8910 again since I now know that there are other remotes that are much more extend-able out there right now). So short of a new remote, you cannot think of what might be going wrong with the 5k's remote? Additional details are when I first connected the 5k remote to my JP1 connector and told it to upload the image it reported that one device code (49 sticks in my mind, but not sure right now) needed to be assigned to a device button. When I said OK to do so, it then said something like "that code is not valid". That's when I decided to simply replace the entire image with one from the JP1 group. If I do the [Setup] 9-8-1 reset, it goes back to the same settings as it started with. In this mode (I think because I have uploaded a newer protocol for the 1614 device code) the remote still refuses to control the 5k, so I am stuck with a non-usable JP1 remote (and that stinks). Since you are the JP1 guru (or should I say god) and are also an avid ReplayTV fan, which OFA/RS remote in your opinion is the best out there for my situation?
Rob, I sure wasn't putting down JP1, as you should know from other posts I've made. But, for some people, the attractiveness of pushing a few buttons (maybe many buttons) to program a OFA/universal remote to run everything is a lot easier than getting the cable and going through trying to figure out the doc for JP1. If you're a tinkerer and like playing with this stuff (as we do and many others here do), JP1 can do about anything, and do it well. For the PC-not-so-literate and not-tinkerer-mindset, yeah, I think *they* *would* call it 'resorting to JP1'!
(I still like the 8910 with the extra buttons; for $30, can't be beat, IMHO.)
(I still like the 8910 with the extra buttons; for $30, can't be beat, IMHO.)
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Lee,
We do need better documentation in the JP1 group to demonstrate just how easy it really is. While it's definitely a tinkering project for people like me (and the other "experts"), for Joe Sixpack, it gives him the ability to add new codes with very little effort (assuming that there are pre-formatted upgrade files available, which is usually the case).
For example, let's say someone buys a Bravo D1 DVD player and discovers that none of the universals on the market support it, if he has a JP1 cable and compatible remote, here's all he would have to do...
1) Download the upgrade from the JP1 file section.
2) Open it using KM and change the selected remote to his remote.
3) Connect the remote to the PC using the JP1 cable and download the memory using IR.exe
4) Copy the upgrade from KM to IR
5) Assign the upgrade code to a device button and re-load
Seriously, that's it!
If you are prepared to spend an extra few minutes here, you could re-arrange the buttons to suit your taste in KM before loading the upgrade.
Remotes are like many things in life, the more effort you put into them the better the results. There isn't a universal remote in existance that will let you toss out all of your original remotes with just a few button presses. Most universals will let you program the built in codes with just a few button presses, but there's always a ton of functions missing, so most people end up keeping the original remotes close at hand. With some remotes you can use learning to fill in the blanks, but again, that's extra effort. With UEI remotes you might be able to fill in the blanks using advanced codes, again - more effort.
With extra effort, such as learning, advanced codes or JP1, you can actually program a universal to completely replace all of your original remotes. With UEI remotes, JP1 usually takes less effort than doing it all by pressing buttons plus you can save your setup as a backup.
We do need better documentation in the JP1 group to demonstrate just how easy it really is. While it's definitely a tinkering project for people like me (and the other "experts"), for Joe Sixpack, it gives him the ability to add new codes with very little effort (assuming that there are pre-formatted upgrade files available, which is usually the case).
For example, let's say someone buys a Bravo D1 DVD player and discovers that none of the universals on the market support it, if he has a JP1 cable and compatible remote, here's all he would have to do...
1) Download the upgrade from the JP1 file section.
2) Open it using KM and change the selected remote to his remote.
3) Connect the remote to the PC using the JP1 cable and download the memory using IR.exe
4) Copy the upgrade from KM to IR
5) Assign the upgrade code to a device button and re-load
Seriously, that's it!
If you are prepared to spend an extra few minutes here, you could re-arrange the buttons to suit your taste in KM before loading the upgrade.
Remotes are like many things in life, the more effort you put into them the better the results. There isn't a universal remote in existance that will let you toss out all of your original remotes with just a few button presses. Most universals will let you program the built in codes with just a few button presses, but there's always a ton of functions missing, so most people end up keeping the original remotes close at hand. With some remotes you can use learning to fill in the blanks, but again, that's extra effort. With UEI remotes you might be able to fill in the blanks using advanced codes, again - more effort.
With extra effort, such as learning, advanced codes or JP1, you can actually program a universal to completely replace all of your original remotes. With UEI remotes, JP1 usually takes less effort than doing it all by pressing buttons plus you can save your setup as a backup.
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I must add that I love the things I can do with the JP1. But I don't use it very often, and I find when I go back to it each time it seems overwhelming at first. Then after a few minutes of tinkering I realize once again just how easy it really is to do.
Robman, I just need to make the JP1 cable. I have joined the Yahoo Group. All I need to add is an input select button so I can change the TV input. One of mine switches to TV every time we turn it off. I have several remotes to switch this tv so I can get the input select code, but can the RTV 5040 remote be set to use 2 keys? I thought I could turn on the tv as usual and use MUTE-SELECT to switch TV inputs. Is that what I can do with the jp1?
TIA,
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TIA,
Dave
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If you don't feel like making a JP1 cable, you can buy them for about $20. (If you go to rob's site -- www.hifi-remote.com -- you can find a link to BlueDo, which is one of the places where you can buy a JP1 cable.)
As for how you will actually configure the RTV remote with JP1...I've never used the RTV remote extender (I use 15-2116 and 15-1994), so you'll need to get input from others who have. But I would have thought you would set up macros to do what you want. Better yet, how about assigning initiation macros to the various device keys to do all configuraiton work for you. For example, assign to the 'replay' key a macro that turns the tv on (discrete on so it can't get confused), switches the tv to the proper input, switches the remote to replay mode and turns the replay on (again, discrete on to avoid getting into confused states). Then, assign to the dvd key a macro that turns on the tv, switches it to the input for the dvd, switches the remote to dvd mode and turns on the dvd player (discrete on). Then assign to the power button a macro that turns everything off using discrete offs (replay, TV, dvd, etc). Finally, set up volume punch through so that no matter what mode the remote is in, the volume buttons control the TV.
| Originally posted by mpsan Robman, I just need to make the JP1 cable. I have joined the Yahoo Group. All I need to add is an input select button so I can change the TV input. One of mine switches to TV every time we turn it off. I have several remotes to switch this tv so I can get the input select code, but can the RTV 5040 remote be set to use 2 keys? I thought I could turn on the tv as usual and use MUTE-SELECT to switch TV inputs. Is that what I can do with the jp1?... |
As for how you will actually configure the RTV remote with JP1...I've never used the RTV remote extender (I use 15-2116 and 15-1994), so you'll need to get input from others who have. But I would have thought you would set up macros to do what you want. Better yet, how about assigning initiation macros to the various device keys to do all configuraiton work for you. For example, assign to the 'replay' key a macro that turns the tv on (discrete on so it can't get confused), switches the tv to the proper input, switches the remote to replay mode and turns the replay on (again, discrete on to avoid getting into confused states). Then, assign to the dvd key a macro that turns on the tv, switches it to the input for the dvd, switches the remote to dvd mode and turns on the dvd player (discrete on). Then assign to the power button a macro that turns everything off using discrete offs (replay, TV, dvd, etc). Finally, set up volume punch through so that no matter what mode the remote is in, the volume buttons control the TV.
That could work. I even have a 15-1994. I have a large home theater setup and use an IRIQ already. For Replay in 2 other rooms, I would be happy to just have a TV input select on the RTV remote that came with my 5040's. Punch through already works. In fact, in 2 rooms, all I need for the RTV remote to do is change inputs on tv and controll tv channels.
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| Originally posted by asinshesq If you don't feel like making a JP1 cable, you can buy them for about $20. (If you go to rob's site -- www.hifi-remote.com -- you can find a link to BlueDo, which is one of the places where you can buy a JP1 cable.) As for how you will actually configure the RTV remote with JP1...I've never used the RTV remote extender (I use 15-2116 and 15-1994), so you'll need to get input from others who have. But I would have thought you would set up macros to do what you want. Better yet, how about assigning initiation macros to the various device keys to do all configuraiton work for you. For example, assign to the 'replay' key a macro that turns the tv on (discrete on so it can't get confused), switches the tv to the proper input, switches the remote to replay mode and turns the replay on (again, discrete on to avoid getting into confused states). Then, assign to the dvd key a macro that turns on the tv, switches it to the input for the dvd, switches the remote to dvd mode and turns on the dvd player (discrete on). Then assign to the power button a macro that turns everything off using discrete offs (replay, TV, dvd, etc). Finally, set up volume punch through so that no matter what mode the remote is in, the volume buttons control the TV. |
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Continuing the JP1 fandom, I took the easy-out and purchased the cable pre-made. After reading everything I could find on the subject I still felt clueless. Then just said "awwww f***it, I'm gonna try it anyway."
The whole process is definately easier than the docs make it seem. But once you get the knack of it, It's really great. (I started with JP1 after my Pronto died one day before waranty, and Philips refused to accept it because the call was made the next morning) Once you get the hang of it JP1 tools are easier than ProntoEdit. And while the docs should be easier to understand, I don't have a clue what could be done to help, it's just a tricky subject.
The whole process is definately easier than the docs make it seem. But once you get the knack of it, It's really great. (I started with JP1 after my Pronto died one day before waranty, and Philips refused to accept it because the call was made the next morning) Once you get the hang of it JP1 tools are easier than ProntoEdit. And while the docs should be easier to understand, I don't have a clue what could be done to help, it's just a tricky subject.
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somthing i have noticed with the rs remotes ( i use a 15-2104 personaly ) .. before you do the reset , do a clean upper memory and a purge memory from the advanced tab in ir.exe ... i dont know why but i think the rs remotes get odd junk stuck in their and clearing before resetting has allways fully cleaned out my remote ... keep in mind that this will give you a 100% blank remote , but it's a good starting place when troubleshooting ...
oh and personaly i'm happy with my $20 2104 i have had almost no problems with it ( a few times i messed up the programing and had to restart , but that was my fault , not the remotes ) , the only odd part about it that you do need to remove the batts when connected to a computer , the button positions are almost in the same spots as the replay so it's an easy transistion ( esspecility in the dark , during a movie ) .... i think anything better than that and you start getting into the high end lcd remotes and i dont even think those have jp1 ports.
| Originally posted by docmcse If I do the [Setup] 9-8-1 reset, it goes back to the same settings as it started with. |
somthing i have noticed with the rs remotes ( i use a 15-2104 personaly ) .. before you do the reset , do a clean upper memory and a purge memory from the advanced tab in ir.exe ... i dont know why but i think the rs remotes get odd junk stuck in their and clearing before resetting has allways fully cleaned out my remote ... keep in mind that this will give you a 100% blank remote , but it's a good starting place when troubleshooting ...
oh and personaly i'm happy with my $20 2104
i have had almost no problems with it ( a few times i messed up the programing and had to restart , but that was my fault , not the remotes ) , the only odd part about it that you do need to remove the batts when connected to a computer , the button positions are almost in the same spots as the replay so it's an easy transistion ( esspecility in the dark , during a movie ) .... i think anything better than that and you start getting into the high end lcd remotes and i dont even think those have jp1 ports.1 - 13 of 13 Posts
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