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Guys I really would love everyone's opinion. I'm a long time lurker and have learned a lot from you guys. But I have a dilemma. I currently own 2 pb2000's and I'm unimpressed with them. I need I crave a lot more bass. Chess thumping bass. I have been researching these subs and really can't make a decision which one I should buy. I only have enough for 1 for now.

Of these what is the recommended sub? My room is a dedicated room enclosed. Size of room is 12×22 8ft ceilings. Also I'm a car audio guy and enjoy that style of bass. I assume its mid bass I'm looking for? It would be for 90% movies.

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Guys I really would love everyone's opinion. I'm a long time lurker and have learned a lot from you guys. But I have a dilemma. I currently own 2 pb2000's and I'm unimpressed with them. I need I crave a lot more bass. Chess thumping bass. I have been researching these subs and really can't make a decision which one I should buy. I only have enough for 1 for now.

Of these what is the recommended sub? My room is a dedicated room enclosed. Size of room is 12×22 8ft ceilings. Also I'm a car audio guy and enjoy that style of bass. I assume its mid bass I'm looking for? It would be for 90% movies.

Thanks in advance guys.

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If you are looking mainly for mid-bass, then it wouldn't be a close call. The V3611 is much more of a mid-bass specialist than either of the other two subwoofers you listed. Both of the Cap 2400's were specifically designed to be low-bass specialists. In the past, PSA specialized much more in mid-bass SPL, with more roll-off below about 25Hz, and JTR specialized with those two subs in low-bass, with a 10Hz port tune and a lot of
 

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Thanks Mike. That actually sounds like a great idea. Few questions what are the prices on the TV36 subwoofers? Also what is the diffrence between the two driver wise?

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Thanks Mike. That actually sounds like a great idea. Few questions what are the prices on the TV36 subwoofers? Also what is the diffrence between the two driver wise?

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Hey check out the PSA subwoofer thread for the full breakdown.

I believe this is the page that Tom breaks down the different versions..

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-subwoofers-bass-transducers/1372020-official-power-sound-audio-subwoofer-thread-1601.html?amp=1


And here is a quick snip of his post -


TV36 = standard 18 inch woofers we've been using with outstanding results for quite a while now. Full details on available on any current 18 inch based product page on the website. $2199 pre-order. $2599 is the estimated regular pricing. -----------------------------------------------------------------------


TV36neo = A high end Neo woofer from Italy(B&C). Exceptional distortion control, exceptionally strong motor, build quality and power handling/thermal limits are far beyond anything we've offered to date. $2599 pre-order. $2999 is the estimated regular pricing. https://www.bcspeakers.com/en/produc...-0/4/18ds115-4
This one sound a bit different than the base version. Better overall. Similar
 
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Honestly I wouldn't overlook the midbass capability of the JTR subs either ,the 2400ULF did test a bit lower than expected in the midbass, but I think that was a bit of an anomaly


The JTR 2400 puts out some serious numbers above 40Hz , over 120dB of midbass inside a room is no joke!





Cap 1400 (older model)





Cap118HT (older model)



a single of any of these will have reference level bass capability in the midbass range, duals of the Cap2400 would have 125dB+ in the 40-100hz range, along with prodigious amounts of low bass
 

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Guys I really would love everyone's opinion. I'm a long time lurker and have learned a lot from you guys. But I have a dilemma. I currently own 2 pb2000's and I'm unimpressed with them. I need I crave a lot more bass. Chess thumping bass. I have been researching these subs and really can't make a decision which one I should buy. I only have enough for 1 for now.

Of these what is the recommended sub? My room is a dedicated room enclosed. Size of room is 12×22 8ft ceilings. Also I'm a car audio guy and enjoy that style of bass. I assume its mid bass I'm looking for? It would be for 90% movies.

Thanks in advance guys.
If you are looking for mid-bass slam then PSA all day ;)
 
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Honestly I wouldn't overlook the midbass capability of the JTR subs either ,the 2400ULF did test a bit lower than expected in the midbass, but I think that was a bit of an anomaly


The JTR 2400 puts out some serious numbers above 40Hz , over 120dB of midbass inside a room is no joke!



a single of any of these will have reference level bass capability in the midbass range, duals of the Cap2400 would have 125dB+ in the 40-100hz range, along with prodigious amounts of low bass


Jamie is correct that the JTR Cap 2400 in either version is no joke in the mid-bass. As he notes, the Cap 2400 will average about 120db from 50Hz to 120Hz, although there will be some distortion at those max levels. But, just for comparison, the V3611 will average 126db in that same range, allowing for much more clean output, without distortion. And, that is the equivalent of dual Cap 2400's.

Where the Cap 2400, in both versions excels, is in the lower frequencies. Compared to the V3611, there would be no contest below about 30Hz. The Cap 2400's would have much more low-frequency output. What makes the new iPal (or even the Neo) TV36 so attractive is the potential to exceed the V3611 in mid-bass SPL while equaling (or very nearly that) the output of the Cap 2400's down to about 12.5Hz.

Competition is only positive for consumers, so subwoofer buyers have some very good choices now, at varying sizes and price points. :)

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Thanks guys. The TV36 ipal is looking very interesting to me. Can anyone point me out to somewhere where I can learn more about the ipal and the neo? I'm now debating between the TV36 neo and ipal. Thanks in advance

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Guys I really would love everyone's opinion. I'm a long time lurker and have learned a lot from you guys. But I have a dilemma. I currently own 2 pb2000's and I'm unimpressed with them. I need I crave a lot more bass. Chess thumping bass. I have been researching these subs and really can't make a decision which one I should buy. I only have enough for 1 for now.

Of these what is the recommended sub? My room is a dedicated room enclosed. Size of room is 12×22 8ft ceilings. Also I'm a car audio guy and enjoy that style of bass. I assume its mid bass I'm looking for? It would be for 90% movies.

Thanks in advance guys.
I think you should add the Rythmik FV25HP to that list. ULF output that rivals JTR and mid bass that rivals PSA.

 

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Since you are looking for movies, I would think the JTR subs would have the max tactile response of the available main stream ID subs today.
 
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Thanks guys. The TV36 ipal is looking very interesting to me. Can anyone point me out to somewhere where I can learn more about the ipal and the neo? I'm now debating between the TV36 neo and ipal. Thanks in advance

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Along with the most excellent advice and suggestions you’ve gotten already, I would say this, try to find some people in your area with the subs you are considering and see if they will demo. Short of having each in your own room, this is the next best way to see what you truly like. There is a “I’ll demo my subs” thread in the sticky section. The new subs from PSA aren’t out yet but you could get somewhat of an idea of their sound sig from the v3601.........maybe, we really don’t know until they are in the wild.

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No I have not. I will look at it. Thanks.

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Chest slam is from 50Hz to as high as 200Hz. This covers mid bass (40~100Hz) as well as upper bass (100~250Hz). You need high spl and/or high dynamics/transient response/attack without compression from 50~200Hz.

This means you are not gonna get chest slam at MV of -20dB. Getting a sub that can do 120dB is only a small part of it. You also need speakers that can deliver close to 105dB at the MLP. Speakers with higher efficiency can deliver the spl before compression and distortion set in. Start with at least Klipsch speakers, than go up to higher end high efficiency speakers from JTR or PSA.

I can get more chest slam from playing Ed Sheeran - Shape of You with my JTR Noesis 212HT's full range (no sub!) than from playing the night club scene in Mission: Impossible - Fall out with regular speakers and the JTR Captivator 4000ULF.

Now, this does not mean that the JTR Cap 4000ULF is bad at 40~80Hz. It is in fact the highest Data-bass tested current model commercial sub available. I am just pointing out that you need to cover all your bases.
 

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Guys I really would love everyone's opinion. I'm a long time lurker and have learned a lot from you guys. But I have a dilemma. I currently own 2 pb2000's and I'm unimpressed with them. I need I crave a lot more bass. Chess thumping bass. I have been researching these subs and really can't make a decision which one I should buy. I only have enough for 1 for now.

Of these what is the recommended sub? My room is a dedicated room enclosed. Size of room is 12×22 8ft ceilings. Also I'm a car audio guy and enjoy that style of bass. I assume its mid bass I'm looking for? It would be for 90% movies.

Thanks in advance guys.
To be transparent, I am a very happy PSA customer who has taking advantage of their great trade-in program several times and I am upgrading again to the PSA TV36 iPal. While it is fun to compare performance numbers of the various products, I place a lot of value on customer service, purchase perks, etc.

I really think the TV36 Neo or iPal is what you are looking for. The JTR 2400 is a great sub, but it's design focus was on the low bass and "Chest thumping bass" typically comes from mid bass. Sub design typically involves a lot of trade-offs to achieve the design goal. The JTR 2400 is going to sacrifice some mid bass to dig deeper. The PSA V3611 was designed to be a mid bass monster and sacrifices low bass to achieve that goal. The TV36 Neo / iPal combines a lower tuning point with ultra efficient pro audio drivers and should have lots of mid bass while still being much stronger than other PSA designs in the low bass.

The reality is, all of the subs on your list are going to destroy PB2000s and you will likely be happy with any of them.
 

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About 6 months ago I purchased a single JTR 2400ULF and have really loved the weight it brings to all bass heavy scenes, but I must admit if I were to buy a new sub today, I would definitely look very hard at the PSA TV36 ipal version. I have actually considered buying one to compare it to what I have, but I doubt it would be worth the difference and the hassle of either selling the JTR if I preferred the PSA, or to incur the costs to send the PSA back if I preferred the JTR, but then again? :)
 

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I purchased a JTR 2400 (not ULF) in January. Although it is a tremendous improvement over my previous SVS SB16, and I love the sound of it, I am left wondering if I am missing some mid range punch as that is not what the 2400 was designed for. That being said, I don't want to lose much of the low end extension either. So when the TV36's were introduced, I thought I would give it a try since it most likely will have the best of both worlds - mid range punch and low end extension. As such, I have pre-ordered the ipal version. I will be keeping the 2400 until the TV36 arrives so I can test them side by side, but I'm pretty confident the TV36 will prevail. ;)
 

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I purchased a JTR 2400 (not ULF) in January. Although it is a tremendous improvement over my previous SVS SB16, and I love the sound of it, I am left wondering if I am missing some mid range punch as that is not what the 2400 was designed for. That being said, I don't want to lose much of the low end extension either. So when the TV36's were introduced, I thought I would give it a try since it most likely will have the best of both worlds - mid range punch and low end extension. As such, I have pre-ordered the ipal version. I will be keeping the 2400 until the TV36 arrives so I can test them side by side, but I'm pretty confident the TV36 will prevail. ;)
This is exactly what I was wondering. I love the ULF but am also wondering if I am missing a large amount of mid-range punch in comparison to the TV36 ipal. I would be willing to lose a little low bass extension, but not too much. Being I am not 100% sure though, has kept me from pulling the trigger on one, and for the reasons I mentioned on my previous post. The only way to be sure is to do exactly what you have done by taking advantage of the pre-order. I applaud you and look forward to your impressions. :D
 

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Well I just ended up ordering the PSA TV36 IPAL thanks to you guys. I'm sure the upgrade from dual pb 2000's is going to be massive and I cant wait to feel the difference. :) thanks guys.

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