I was just thinking that today while checking out the selection at FYE....sux that at the moment the combo discs costs like 10bux more than they should....but I totally agree, I'm not a fan of flipper discs of any kind, but man would that help in getting people into the format.
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Just a thought about Universal
A thought popped into my head that if it did happen, this war would be over (although legally I don't know).
If Universal starts releasing all off their movies on combo discs only for the same price as regular DVD then I believe the war would be over. Just imagine the power they have if they did this. So anybody sitting on the fence wants any Universal movie it will have a SD and HD DVD version. The consumers who couldn't care less will already have invested something in HD DVD.
Thoughts?
If Universal starts releasing all off their movies on combo discs only for the same price as regular DVD then I believe the war would be over. Just imagine the power they have if they did this. So anybody sitting on the fence wants any Universal movie it will have a SD and HD DVD version. The consumers who couldn't care less will already have invested something in HD DVD.
Thoughts?
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Yes, this has been discussed many times previously (not knocking your comments, cuz they were good/fine). Point being though - that maybe they will very well do this - when the war becomes more desperate and/or when the costs of producing a combo in mass are much lower/easier/faster.
I think it will take more than one studio (albeit Universal is a big one) to win the format war. It looks like combo players and discs are going to drag this thing out for some time.
It is possible that Universal can pull the heavy weight to get HD DVD to win. They have to decide if they are willing to do that, as it would cost them money to do the above. Maybe they have so much stake in HD DVD that they don't care about spending lots of money or foregoing future profits by doing some of the more costly things to try to make HD DVD win (like releasing all their best content soon). On the other hand, if Universal just went neutral the war might be close to over. Just not in the direction above.
--Darin
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Originally Posted by Paul_Seng /forum/post/0
A thought popped into my head that if it did happen, this war would be over (although legally I don't know).
If Universal starts releasing all off their movies on combo discs only for the same price as regular DVD then I believe the war would be over. Just imagine the power they have if they did this. So anybody sitting on the fence wants any Universal movie it will have a SD and HD DVD version. The consumers who couldn't care less will already have invested something in HD DVD.
Thoughts?
It is possible that Universal can pull the heavy weight to get HD DVD to win. They have to decide if they are willing to do that, as it would cost them money to do the above. Maybe they have so much stake in HD DVD that they don't care about spending lots of money or foregoing future profits by doing some of the more costly things to try to make HD DVD win (like releasing all their best content soon). On the other hand, if Universal just went neutral the war might be close to over. Just not in the direction above.
--Darin
If every studio went neutral, the war might be over.
We've been saying this since combos were introduced.
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Originally Posted by Paul_Seng /forum/post/0
A thought popped into my head that if it did happen, this war would be over (although legally I don't know).
If Universal starts releasing all off their movies on combo discs only for the same price as regular DVD then I believe the war would be over. Just imagine the power they have if they did this. So anybody sitting on the fence wants any Universal movie it will have a SD and HD DVD version. The consumers who couldn't care less will already have invested something in HD DVD.
Thoughts?
We've been saying this since combos were introduced.
yes, too bad its been 7 months and combos are still overpriced.
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We've been saying this since combos were introduced.
yes, too bad its been 7 months and combos are still overpriced.
Or the easiest thing to happen is Universal goes neutral, the war would be over.
One studio could make a big difference though. Imagine if someone had bought some combo discs instead of the DVD version, and in about a year from now the player prices have dropped a lot. When they go to buy a player, the fact that they already have several titles in HD-DVD already could play a big part in the decision.
However, the combo disc idea and REPLACING all new DVD releases with these combo discs is required. This really only applies to new movie releases. Nobody is going to pay $20 for a combo disc that is $5 on sd-dvd.
IE; when Smokin Aces is released on video later this year, there has to be only a DVD/HD-DVD combo released and it must be priced at the same priceline as a standard DVD release. This would hurt Universal in the short term but if they want to get serious about HD-DVD paying off for them in the long run, they should definately start thinking about it.
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I think it will take more than one studio (albeit Universal is a big one) to win the format war. It looks like combo players and discs are going to drag this thing out for some time.
One studio could make a big difference though. Imagine if someone had bought some combo discs instead of the DVD version, and in about a year from now the player prices have dropped a lot. When they go to buy a player, the fact that they already have several titles in HD-DVD already could play a big part in the decision.
However, the combo disc idea and REPLACING all new DVD releases with these combo discs is required. This really only applies to new movie releases. Nobody is going to pay $20 for a combo disc that is $5 on sd-dvd.
IE; when Smokin Aces is released on video later this year, there has to be only a DVD/HD-DVD combo released and it must be priced at the same priceline as a standard DVD release. This would hurt Universal in the short term but if they want to get serious about HD-DVD paying off for them in the long run, they should definately start thinking about it.
I know this has been talked about before. However, since everybody's griping about Universal's lack of announcements I thought I'd stir the pot. As for it costing it more, I think it would actually save them in the long run. For all new releases on HD DVD they use the combo discs and stop SD DVD for everything so that when stores inventory runs out they have to restock with combo discs. If the cost is the same then people aren't going to care if the HD version is on it and when their player breaks down they have a small library of HD discs to use. As for the costs it helps them in not paying to package 2 different discs and shipping 2 different copies to the distributers or B&M stores (believe me this alone adds up).
I know it's a thought and probably never happen but this is one way that one studio can alter the war to their favor (and it can't be a Blu Ray studio as their combo discs would be way too expensive, IMO).
I know it's a thought and probably never happen but this is one way that one studio can alter the war to their favor (and it can't be a Blu Ray studio as their combo discs would be way too expensive, IMO).
Why not just offer a bunch of money to a studio on the other side to go neutral? Might cost less.
I wonder what Universal's stake in having HD DVD be the winner and not Blu-ray is. It doesn't seem like it can be as big as Toshiba's. If Toshiba wants them to do that, then they could finance it. But again, it might be cheaper to pay a studio on the other side off.
--Darin
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Originally Posted by Paul_Seng /forum/post/0
I know it's a thought and probably never happen but this is one way that one studio can alter the war to their favor (and it can't be a Blu Ray studio as their combo discs would be way too expensive, IMO).
Why not just offer a bunch of money to a studio on the other side to go neutral? Might cost less.
I wonder what Universal's stake in having HD DVD be the winner and not Blu-ray is. It doesn't seem like it can be as big as Toshiba's. If Toshiba wants them to do that, then they could finance it. But again, it might be cheaper to pay a studio on the other side off.
--Darin
I have a feeling there is a contractural agreement with the studio on the other side.
And I also have a feeling that the old Sony Vs Universal City Studio left a bitter taste. And now that Sony is also a studio is not sitting well with them.
Plus since Universal is now majority owned by GE (7 on the fortune 500 and not in the red for years) may have an impact on how long Universal can hold out.
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Originally Posted by darinp2 /forum/post/0
Why not just offer a bunch of money to a studio on the other side to go neutral? Might cost less.
I wonder what Universal's stake in having HD DVD be the winner and not Blu-ray is. It doesn't seem like it can be as big as Toshiba's. If Toshiba wants them to do that, then they could finance it. But again, it might be cheaper to pay a studio on the other side off.
--Darin
I have a feeling there is a contractural agreement with the studio on the other side.
And I also have a feeling that the old Sony Vs Universal City Studio left a bitter taste. And now that Sony is also a studio is not sitting well with them.
Plus since Universal is now majority owned by GE (7 on the fortune 500 and not in the red for years) may have an impact on how long Universal can hold out.
I don't think Uni have that much sway in terms of new material for this to "work". for catalogue titles, consumers can still go back to SD versions, unless Uni stop pressing them.
I think the problom with putting out all universal movies on HD-DVD/DVD. Would be the cases. Pepole would be confused if their favorite dvds now came in a small red case that says HD-DVD/DVD across the top.
Plus many have probloms figuring out which side is DVD and which is HD-DVD.
So I think it is better to have them on both DVD and HD-DVD.
However if they could bring the cost of HD-DVD to or bellow the cost of the dvd it may get pepole to switch over. Moreso if they have those cheep HD-DVD player comming it could help.
Another key would be to get the movies in every bargin store. Sure some walmarts and targets are getting them but the selction is so small that many will overlook them. You also have to have working display with the A2 on it so pepole will see the amazing picture as soon as they step into that part of the store. A bigg sign over the top of the set telling the benifets of the format.
Plus many have probloms figuring out which side is DVD and which is HD-DVD.
So I think it is better to have them on both DVD and HD-DVD.
However if they could bring the cost of HD-DVD to or bellow the cost of the dvd it may get pepole to switch over. Moreso if they have those cheep HD-DVD player comming it could help.
Another key would be to get the movies in every bargin store. Sure some walmarts and targets are getting them but the selction is so small that many will overlook them. You also have to have working display with the A2 on it so pepole will see the amazing picture as soon as they step into that part of the store. A bigg sign over the top of the set telling the benifets of the format.
^^^Good points. Especially about the packaging - I forgot all about that that would be an issue. And that's interesting - because I'm one of the biggest sticklers about having uniform/matching packaging - that exists out there. Among other reasons - the changes/differences in packaging are a big part of why I refuse to buy into BD as well or Warner Total HD as well (besides just only HD DVD).
I like all my packaging to match and appear uniformly attractive on the shelf - plus I think it's fun to just look at my shelf and be able to imagine that there IS only ONE single, standard format that is good for everybody (and no format war/worries). Call me crazy.
I like all my packaging to match and appear uniformly attractive on the shelf - plus I think it's fun to just look at my shelf and be able to imagine that there IS only ONE single, standard format that is good for everybody (and no format war/worries). Call me crazy.
Maybe we should make all high definition players 50 bucks or less and then just release all HD and BD movies straight to the 5.50 bins at walmart. Lol. Some of the ideas on here are great. Im sure all the studios are gonna love them.
For BD owners, they'd have to put the Warner THDs backwards in order to have the 'all blu' look while we lucked out that Warner printed the HD DVD logo on the left
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^^^Good points. Especially about the packaging - I forgot all about that that would be an issue. And that's interesting - because I'm one of the biggest sticklers about having uniform/matching packaging - that exists out there. Among other reasons - the changes/differences in packaging are a big part of why I refuse to buy into BD as well or Warner Total HD as well (besides just only HD DVD).
I like all my packaging to match and appear uniformly attractive on the shelf - plus I think it's fun to just look at my shelf and be able to imagine that there IS only ONE single, standard format that is good for everybody (and no format war/worries). Call me crazy.
For BD owners, they'd have to put the Warner THDs backwards in order to have the 'all blu' look while we lucked out that Warner printed the HD DVD logo on the left
Out of interest's sake, why does Universal dislike Blu-ray so much?
I know why Fox dislikes HD DVD, but I've never been clear on the reasons behind Universal's stance.
I know why Fox dislikes HD DVD, but I've never been clear on the reasons behind Universal's stance.
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