The 59AVi doesn't have the standard CUE problem. It does have the 3-2 alternating flage CUE issue, but most players do. The issue with that is whether or not the player displays it with a flickering problem or not, which I think the 59 does. Depending on what you are going to feed it to via SDI, it may mask the issue. The DVDO Iscan HD masks all of the CUE issues with its chroma filters.
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JVB and chroma bug
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JVB has there region free moded 59avi as being free of the chroma bug. Does that mean that all 59avi models are now free of it , or is it just that they have modified theirs? If I buy it somewhere else will it be free of it? Is there a firmware fix from Pioneer to fix it, or is it hardware?
Thank you
JVB has there region free moded 59avi as being free of the chroma bug. Does that mean that all 59avi models are now free of it , or is it just that they have modified theirs? If I buy it somewhere else will it be free of it? Is there a firmware fix from Pioneer to fix it, or is it hardware?
Thank you
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Kris,
Will you be reviewing the 2910 anytime soon? I was wondering if it has the same basic video quality of the 3910, which I think you showed this problem to be borderline. You didn't make any mention of it in the text, so does that mean "borderline" is nearly imperceptible? Or would it be obvious on such films as Monsters Inc??
Thanks
Jeff
Will you be reviewing the 2910 anytime soon? I was wondering if it has the same basic video quality of the 3910, which I think you showed this problem to be borderline. You didn't make any mention of it in the text, so does that mean "borderline" is nearly imperceptible? Or would it be obvious on such films as Monsters Inc??
Thanks
Jeff
The player I was looking at wasn't SDI modified, but it still said that it had no chroma bug. I guess then I would need to ask if it resolves the the normal cue issue. If it doesn't, then it will just be hit or miss wheather it actually displays the problem depending on disks, other variables, or not? Otherwise, any dvd player will need a DVDO, or similar device if you don't want to see flicker?
Thanks for your help and patience
Thanks for your help and patience
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A borderline score means the MPEG decoder has the problem but the de-interlacing solution has chroma filters that mask it. The test is geared more toward the MPEG decoder but we had to compromise since some solutions mask the issue, like Faroudja and DVDO.
| Originally posted by JeffZX9R Kris, Will you be reviewing the 2910 anytime soon? I was wondering if it has the same basic video quality of the 3910, which I think you showed this problem to be borderline. You didn't make any mention of it in the text, so does that mean "borderline" is nearly imperceptible? Or would it be obvious on such films as Monsters Inc?? Thanks Jeff |
Rynopr,
The JVB mod does the following:
It makes the player multiregion
It disables macrovision
It allows you to skip through all copyright screens etc.
It is otherwise identical to a standard player. I have this player (SDI one) so if you have anymore Qs please ask.
Kris,
Is there actually much difference between making this CUE issue at deinterlacing and simply having a a bug free mpeg decoder?
The JVB mod does the following:
It makes the player multiregion
It disables macrovision
It allows you to skip through all copyright screens etc.
It is otherwise identical to a standard player. I have this player (SDI one) so if you have anymore Qs please ask.
Kris,
Is there actually much difference between making this CUE issue at deinterlacing and simply having a a bug free mpeg decoder?
Okay,
I just looked at the site again and it says, "Fixed MPEG decoder free of the chroma bug error." I guess then you woudn't need a DVDO, etc... Do they do that fix, or do you have to buy a player from them in order to have it fixed?
Thanks
I just looked at the site again and it says, "Fixed MPEG decoder free of the chroma bug error." I guess then you woudn't need a DVDO, etc... Do they do that fix, or do you have to buy a player from them in order to have it fixed?
Thanks
Please chack the DVD benchmark at ww.hometheaterhifi.com. JVB mod results are identical, Fixed MPEG decoder is mentioned because Pioneer fixed the two most common cue issues since the model before it. Please read the articles on the site Ive mentioned.
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Yes and No. Chroma filters can cut down on the chroma resolution unnecessarily. The ideal is to have a MPEG decoder with no CUE issues at all. The only one I know of is the Mediamatics Pantera chips. The Mediatech, Matsushita, and Sigma chips are pretty good too. The ESS chip is good except for the 4:2:0 ICP issue. The Mitsubishi chip found in the Pioneer and some Denon units is fine except for 3-2 alternating material.
| Is there actually much difference between making this CUE issue at deinterlacing and simply having a a bug free mpeg decoder? |
Something I read gave me the impression that the DVDO will convert Pal to Ntsc. I am sure that is probably not the case, but am just wondering? If I were to go with a top model Pioneer whether it is the 59, 868, or 969 and it plays Pal progressive it would be moot. Well, at least to me it would be. I don't think I will be able to swing $1200 for a player, $1000 + for a converter, and $1000 + for DVDO. I am maxing out at about $2300. According to JVB's web site, the 3910 does conversion within the player. Maybe Denon will be the route to go after all.
The Iscan HD or Lumagen DVI will both take Pal and output whatever scaled output you want including plain NTSC if thats best for your display. Its best to feed either of these SDI since it avoids unecessary conversion.
An SDI modded Denon 2900 and a Vision DVI or IScan HD would be just around your budget and would give nice results (Similar PQ to Pioneer but with much faster layer change and responsiveness). You probably need to think about if an external scaler is what you need or not before anything else.
An SDI modded Denon 2900 and a Vision DVI or IScan HD would be just around your budget and would give nice results (Similar PQ to Pioneer but with much faster layer change and responsiveness). You probably need to think about if an external scaler is what you need or not before anything else.
The Iscan HD will indeed convert PAL to NTSC. The Iscan HD will do quite a few different frame rate conversions.
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Hi,
A few weeks ago I posted a photo which represented a chroma issue I was experiencing with the 59avi. Stacy Spears chimed in and noted that what I was experiencing was the an ICP problem not the CUE which I first thought it was.
I eventually returned the unit because this chroma issue was quite obvious and annoying to me, more so than with my current player surprisingly. In your opinion is this ICP issue I was experiencing representative what would be considered as "fine" for this player.
In general I found round back ground objects were horizontally cut by this ICP plus at times it appeared sections of the image had a watery type effect to it.
Also, how exactly does the 3-2 alternating material error manifest itself with the Pioneer?
Here's a link to one of the photos I posted earlier.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...658&fullpage=1
| Originally posted by Kris Deering Yes and No. Chroma filters can cut down on the chroma resolution unnecessarily. The ideal is to have a MPEG decoder with no CUE issues at all. The only one I know of is the Mediamatics Pantera chips. The Mediatech, Matsushita, and Sigma chips are pretty good too. The ESS chip is good except for the 4:2:0 ICP issue. The Mitsubishi chip found in the Pioneer and some Denon units is fine except for 3-2 alternating material. |
A few weeks ago I posted a photo which represented a chroma issue I was experiencing with the 59avi. Stacy Spears chimed in and noted that what I was experiencing was the an ICP problem not the CUE which I first thought it was.
I eventually returned the unit because this chroma issue was quite obvious and annoying to me, more so than with my current player surprisingly. In your opinion is this ICP issue I was experiencing representative what would be considered as "fine" for this player.
In general I found round back ground objects were horizontally cut by this ICP plus at times it appeared sections of the image had a watery type effect to it.
Also, how exactly does the 3-2 alternating material error manifest itself with the Pioneer?
Here's a link to one of the photos I posted earlier.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...658&fullpage=1
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