Expecting to see comments tomorrow.
nope not needed... any new menus there are settings in them are factory default so will have to choose and select from those.I just watched the video quickly w/o sound. So no factory reset needed after update?
That is not how I understand this table.
With Spyder 5 you use Autocal v11 and with Spyder X Autocal v12. Because you have to set sensor differently: Spyder 5 towards projector, Spyder X towards screen.
Honestly, there's nothing that MaxCLL/MaxFALL can provide that the DTM can't measure on its own. I don't think you need a basis for tone mapping other than the display nits.HDR Level setting "Auto": does this mean that if MaxCLL/MaxFALL information is available they will be used as base values for DTM? Would this setting negate DTM to some extent or help it? Why to have auto setting with FA-HDR?
Interesting comparison of MADVR with new JVC Firmware from German Forum (Google Translation)
" # 666 created: Today , 10:46
FIRST COMPARISON: FRAME ADAPT HDR vs. MADVR
The weekend was over. A home cinema friend from Hamburg visited me. In the luggage a ready made ready made Media PC. Price: 3500, - Euro.
We wanted to find out how Frame Adapt HDR, which provides JVC as a firmware update for free (!), Can prove it in the A / B comparison.
Excerpts from the following films were used:
- The Martian
- Tomb Raider
The JVC DLA-N7 was connected via an HDMI input. The image signals from the Media PC and Panasonic DP-UB9004 went first into the Marantz SR7011 and from there to the projector. The projector is calibrated, the color temperature is 6505 Kelvin (D65). Color is set to 10 to add a bit more brightness to the mottled colors without "bleeding out" in the films. HDR level (for Frame Adapt HDR) is high.
The Media PC was optimally adjusted according to the specifications of the dealer. No changes were made to that. In the Panasonic DP-UB9004 there were also slight adjustments in the picture menu, so that the sharpness was perfectly exploited on the basis of sharpness test images.
The projector has turned off all noise filters and blur.
All three films were previously ripped from the 4K Blu-ray from the Media PC and "read" via madVR. That took about 20 minutes per film. We did not use the live feature because the owner of the media PC did not use it.
First impressions of the picture:
1. While the plane is flying over Central Park (Chapter 1), the paths are clearly visible on the snow. The sky offers a light blue course in the backlight. On the road between the skyscrapers, individual cars can be seen.
MadVR represents everything true to the original. Paths, gradient in the sky, cars. Everything seems very natural.
Frame Adapt HDR is in no way inferior here. Paths, gradient in the sky, cars. Everything looks very similar. Notable differences can not be seen here.
2. The plane hits the building. A flash explosion can be seen. In the background, the sun shines on a building and the blue sky can be seen behind it.
MadVR shows a very fine explosion. Sky and building elements are well differentiated.
Frame Adapt HDR is also no nakedness. However, the explosion seems a bit fuller. Sky and buildings in the background are also optimally differentiated.
3. Sully strolls through New York at night (Chapter 5). All around him are pictures and texts on all displays. The US flag shines in beautiful blue and red.
MadVR shows almost all the details here. The picture is crisp. Only the "Mitsubishi" logo outshines white. As Sully heads for a side street, there is a shadow of a building far away in the darkness.
Frame Adapt HDR brings out the flacons (back left) from the advertising a bit more detailed. Even the red of the US flag lights up a bit fuller. The blue lettering in the background is a trace blue. The Mitsubishi logo is completely displayed. The picture is as bright as from madVR. As Sully turns off towards Nebenstraße, the shadow in the dark background turns out to be clear as a building. Here, Frame Adapt HDR performs much better with the same black level.
Already the beginning scene is a real touchstone, because the film no HDR metadata are stored. You can see behind Mars the slowly rising sun, a few lens flare effects and the flight over the surface of Mars. Later, the actors will be added. In the control room, two scientists monitor the work on the surface of Mars.
MadVR shows a really rich black in space. Individual stars are clearly visible. As the sun emerges behind the planet, the picture really shines magnificently. The surface of Mars is shown crisp, dark contents have a lot of drawing. The control room is of course mapped. Neon lights shine, skin colors look natural.
Frame Adapt HDR can do a better job. The black space is comparably dark, but there are significantly more small stars to see, which also shine (teilise) a trace brighter. The red on Mars is a less colorful and darker elements have significantly more drawing. At madVR, it is no doubt that details in black are drunk here. The control room also looks natural via Frame Adapt HDR. However, with Frame Adapt HDR, the hair of the scientist has more drawing. For the neon lights seem a bit darker.
Lara Croft is looking for her father. There is a lot of action and very warm filtered colors. Panoramic shots are crisp.
madVR also leaves a very good impression here. Of course, the colors look natural, the panorama shot of Hong Kong shows some small windows crisp. Unfortunately, there were repeated slight picture shakes in pans and turbulent scenes. When Lara signs the contract, a hoodie and a leather jacket run into each other in the shade. There is a little missing the tracing.
Frame Adapt HDR makes the colors seem a bit stronger. The panoramic view of Hong Kong looks similar. After repeated switching back and forth but shows that madVR still a touch appears sharper. If this was adjusted via the focus controller in Panasonic, this leads to slight double contours (white edges on high-contrast edges). Image jerking never occurred with the combination of Panasonic DP-UB9004 and JVC DLA-N7 with Frame Adapt HDR. Everything is reproduced very cleanly. Also, the shadow area in the contract signature is visibly better drawn. Hooded polo and leather jacket feature Frame Adapt HDR for all the details.
The differences are extremely low at a very high level. Without direct A / B comparison, each of these films seems very natural.
It is noticeable that Frame Adapt HDR produces more drawing in both light and dark scenes, with the same black and identical maximum brightness. Moreover, the colors are a bit lighter and fuller.
Anyone who owns madVR can continue to use software and media PC on the JVC DLA-N7. If you're considering a new acquisition, you can opt for a lower-priced 4K Blu-ray player. With Frame Adapt HDR, any HDR-10 content can be optimally projected in real time. The long ripple and readout times (about 20 minutes) of madVR are eliminated. With Frame Adapt HDR, 4K Blu-ray movies as well as Netflix HDTV and Amazon Video HDR10 content can be played - virtually plug & play."
Pros and cons
+ minimal better sharpness with madVR
+ clearly visible better throughput with Frame Adapt HDR in bright and dark scenes with the same black level and maximum brightness
+ Somewhat brighter and brighter colors via Frame Adapt HDR
good question, it sounds like a quick test without those critical details. latest builds are excellent, i'm sure we'll see proper comparisons soon.This would be helpful, except we don't know which version of madVR is running and was one of the higher-performing test builds being used (build 86 or higher)? Which gpu was being used and other features of madVR enabled?
If the comparision test was just with the basic madVR setup it's not telling much imo...
Even with that, there are many more settings internally on the player that affect the picture, some of which default to "Auto" and don't even have an "Off" option so you couldn't really consider it source direct in that case. Regardless, I don't see it being an issue really and with the new update, I would presume anything and everything you could turn off or to auto you should do, including the HDR optimizer and tone mapping, both of which you should disable and let the JVC do its (new) thing! That is at least how I am going to go about things right out of the gate.I am curious about this too. If you turn off tone mapping / HDR Optimizer on the Panasonic, how is that different than “source direct” mode on other players?
I wish there was a way to know the HDR level to use based off screen brightness. Based on the table in the manual it sounds like if you have a lot of nits you want to use low or medium.
I had Chad B. calibrate my RS1000 last week. It looks so good, I'm hesitant to upgrade now, but don't want to miss out on something even better. Anyone know yet if this upgrade will effect my new calibration? Or what settings to use?
I would reach to ChadB and see if he has any thoughts on whether his calibrated settings will be impacted by the firmware update. I would imagine some of the calibrating for the best HDR image that ChadB performed might need some tweaking now that the projector is performing frame by frame adjustments itself to the light levels in the content. Just my guess.I had Chad B. calibrate my RS1000 last week. It looks so good, I'm hesitant to upgrade now, but don't want to miss out on something even better. Anyone know yet if this upgrade will effect my new calibration? Or what settings to use?