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I'm currently researching an article about shooting, editing and finishing your own 3D movies on low budget so this is a very interesting piece of kit. Questions/comments about some bits in JVC's press release:

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The newly developed “LR Independent Format” makes the GS-TD1 the world’s first consumer-oriented camcorder capable of 3D shooting in Full HD. JVC’s new camcorder offers other shooting modes as well, including the widely used “Side-by-Side Format” for AVCHD (3D) and conventional AVCHD (2D) shooting.

I suppose this LR Independent Format means the camcorder is not losing vertical or horizontal resolution because of how the frames are stored. No mention of codec or bitrate for their proprietary format, however.

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The GS-TD1 also features round iris diaphragms that enable beautiful bokeh effect (background blurring) shooting of video and stills alike.

I hope it can do deep DOF too as I believe shallow DOF has no place in 3D movies.

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Automatic Parallax Adjustment to optimize the 3D-video comfort zone

This is very difficult to achieve so it'll be interesting to see JVC's solution.
 

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Hello Everyone,


Here are a few specs that may answer some of your questions. Keep in mind this is all very new, and the factory has only disclosed limited preliminary information at this point.


There are two 3D recording modes:


MVC (1920 X 1080 3D Frame Packing for interlace): Recording Format: MP4, Video Compression: H264 MVC, Audio Compression: AAC, File Extension: .mp4


AVCHD (1920 X 1080 Side By Side 3D which is 960 x 1080 Side By Side 3D): Recording Format: AVCHD, Video Compression: H264/AVC, Audio Compression: AC3, File Extension: .m2ts


You can also record in regular AVCHD 2D.


There will also be software included that allows you to convert from Frame Packing Full HD 3D to AVCHD Side by Side 3D or 2D.


I won't be posting any more this week, but will try and answer more questions next week.


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Hello Everyone,

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There are two 3D recording modes:


MVC (1920 X 1080 3D Frame Packing for interlace): Recording Format: MP4, Video Compression: H264 MVC, Audio Compression: AAC, File Extension: .mp4


AVCHD (1920 X 1080 Side By Side 3D which is 960 x 1080 Side By Side 3D): Recording Format: AVCHD, Video Compression: H264/AVC, Audio Compression: AC3, File Extension: .m2ts


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The main thing I'd like to know is how we can edit the MVC video files and render them that way.
 

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The main thing I'd like to know is how we can edit the MVC video files and render them that way.

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Can the JVC take 3-D stills?


Or shoot (in 3D) @ 1080p / 24fps?


Yes and No. (The JVC, unlike the Panasonic and Sony, does allow for 3D stills.) The 3D is in 1080i. Don't know if the 24fps is offered, or if so is limited to 2D shooting.
 

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Hello Everyone,


Here are a few specs that may answer some of your questions. Keep in mind this is all very new, and the factory has only disclosed limited preliminary information at this point.


There are two 3D recording modes:


MVC (1920 X 1080 3D Frame Packing for interlace): Recording Format: MP4, Video Compression: H264 MVC, Audio Compression: AAC, File Extension: .mp4


AVCHD (1920 X 1080 Side By Side 3D which is 960 x 1080 Side By Side 3D): Recording Format: AVCHD, Video Compression: H264/AVC, Audio Compression: AC3, File Extension: .m2ts


You can also record in regular AVCHD 2D.


There will also be software included that allows you to convert from Frame Packing Full HD 3D to AVCHD Side by Side 3D or 2D.


I won't be posting any more this week, but will try and answer more questions next week.


Chris

Greetings Chris. Thanks for posting the specs.


1. Which of the two recording formats, MVC and side-by-side, provides higher quality?


2. Does it support playback of 3D video? If so, what's the output format used? Or does it offer a choice between Frame Packing and side-by-side?


3. Does the software to convert MVC to side-by-side work on 3D blu-ray disc as well?


Many thanks and best regards.
 

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Heres what i dont understand.JVC SAYS its the only true hd 3d cam.Sony has a hd 3d cam too.Why make that statement.From what ive seen and have heard on .Both the two full hd 3d top dog camcorders.Is that one guy said the jvc has a better lens for low light .And something about noise levels.I guess this will have to be a wait and see for your self deal .As who is the real deal.Other wise it seems that both of these camcorders will do a fine job.Just which one is better is my question
 

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Heres what i dont understand.JVC SAYS its the only true hd 3d cam.Sony has a hd 3d cam too.Why make that statement...

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Yes and No. (The JVC, unlike the Panasonic and Sony, does allow for 3D stills.) The 3D is in 1080i. Don't know if the 24fps is offered, or if so is limited to 2D shooting.

Thanks for the info.


While it's good to hear the JVC allows for 3D stills, I am still a little disappointed the initial reports indicate there are no 3D 1080p @24fps shooting options for the Sony or the JVC. That is the 3D 1080p Bluray standard, and anything else would need to be converted.
 

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Chris, thanks for the information and you must be tired after CES. I can understand taking a week away.


When you return can you let me know if the AC3 output for AVCHD is 2.0 or 5.1-channel?

The AC3 output is 2 channel. As a side note, it uses our unique Biphonic recording process. The spacing of the microphones, and some additional DSP processing, allow for a very wide and realistic sound field. We demonstrated this at CES.


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The main thing I'd like to know is how we can edit the MVC video files and render them that way.

I want to preface this answer by saying this is new technology, and we are learning new things about it almost daily. Also, as a new technology, there will always be some limitations. Hopefully, over time, many of those limitations will go away.


We will provide software that allows you to back up the MVC (3D Full HD) data, play it back on your PC and convert it to 3D side by side AVCHD.


So basically you can watch the original 3D Full HD footage, or you can convert it to 3D side-by-side footage if you want to do more. The software we provide will let you edit the side by side footage (cutting, combining, effects, etc.), as well as create BD or DVD discs.


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Assuming that Sony Vegas Pro 10 can download from the JVC (I suspect it can but don't have that confirmed) then you can edit MVC files with Vegas 10. However, since DVD Architect can't write in MVC, there is no way to get the resultant file out of your PC and onto a BD. Hopefully future DVD Architect versions will support (and maybe they'll also change the name to BD Architect).


I suspect some freeware program might come along since the editing workflow is available, at least.

I would be very surprised if this worked.


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Greetings Chris. Thanks for posting the specs.


1. Which of the two recording formats, MVC and side-by-side, provides higher quality?


2. Does it support playback of 3D video? If so, what's the output format used? Or does it offer a choice between Frame Packing and side-by-side?


3. Does the software to convert MVC to side-by-side work on 3D blu-ray disc as well?


Many thanks and best regards.

Same disclaimer as my earlier post. We are learning new things almost daily. Here is the best info so far:


1. MVC is higher quality as it is 1920 x 1080i for each eye. Side by side is 960 x 1080i for each eye.


2. You can output 3D frame packing at 1080i or 720p, or you can output 3D side by side 1080i or you can down convert to 2D 1080i.


3. The software to convert MVC to side by side allows that content to be burned to a disc that will playback in 3D in your Blu-ray player. Not sure if it's an actual BD disc or an AVCHD DVD-R.


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Originally Posted by icerat4 /forum/post/19816765


Heres what i dont understand.JVC SAYS its the only true hd 3d cam.Sony has a hd 3d cam too.Why make that statement.From what ive seen and have heard on .Both the two full hd 3d top dog camcorders.Is that one guy said the jvc has a better lens for low light .And something about noise levels.I guess this will have to be a wait and see for your self deal .As who is the real deal.Other wise it seems that both of these camcorders will do a fine job.Just which one is better is my question

I don't think we are saying we are the only true HD 3D cam. At CES, both JVC and Sony announced new Full HD 3D consumer cams. Up to now, consumer 3D cams had only recorded side by side (1/2 resolution). We can record Full HD. Ours is coming out in March, making it the world's first. I believe the Sony comes out in April.


Chris
 
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