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KDS-R70XBR2 Initial Impressions

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I just received my KDS-R70XBR2 yesterday and here's my quick take on it.


I am a pretty critical videophile so I cannot give a complete analysis as I have not tweaked the myriad of custom settings nor calibrated the set yet. In fact, if there is a link to a good technical discussion/description of the various Sony custom settings I would be into that as they seem to be common to the Sony line. However the manual that comes with it is not as bad as some I have seen. My viewing experience includes owning Pioneer Elite RPTV's (may they RIP) and also spending time in front of other newer Hi-def sets that others own. I've also been looking at the 60 SXRD for a year waiting for the 70 to come out.


As is typical, out-of-the-box everything is cranked up. OTA and Cable HD lept out and SD sat. looked almost too sharp and grainy especially when stretched. This is something to keep in mind if you are looking at this set in the typical store with settings at default. After setting a custom setup with warm1 color temp, lower bright and contrast, Iris at medium, the picture in both SD and HD was very very nice. The adjustments really allowed me to tune the satellite standard def to a good sharpness vs. reality-of-the-limited-SD-resolution compromise. I only have component-out DVD but they also looked great. The old AVS video montage showed good pulldown processing and black levels. However getting black levels just right seems like it will take some doing. Iris adjustments, brightness, contrast, etc. etc. But even a quick tweak made the dark scenes look just about right and I am used to CRT. Any input on brightness/contrast/iris interplay on LCOS-type set would be helpful. It is of course much different than CRT and more like a PC LCD from what my eyes see.


-Setup - The initial setup scans both RF inputs for analog and digital and took about 15 minutes or so. As with other sets, the TV guide is not useful for a day or so. It does allow you to save favorites in a very very basic small menu that can be brought up by hitting the enter key. You can save both analog and digital stations in this menu.


-The discrete sony IR codes that work for all other Sony sets worked for this one.


-I see no blobs, goblins, or other assorted characters on the screen. That fuss on reduced sharpness on the A2000 does not appear to be an issue here although I cannot do an A/B on that.


-I needed the side speakers off for my setup and they come off easily. However there is a still a piece of clear material that frames both sides of the set and a plastic cover replaces the speakers and snaps on. You still gain a lot of space on the sides, but that clear glass remains, you are not flush with the plastic frame.


-I like how it auto-saves custom settings for each input but I am sure other Sony owners have had that on their sets for a while too.


-The screen is non-reflective which I really like.


-Someone asked on another thread about a stand for this set which I replied to. I think the standard 20 inch stand puts it way too high. Of course sony has a stand for $600 or so, but I found a Techcraft that was around 15 inches high, the DLP58X. My stand will not be visible and I needed the shorter length, however some might need a wider stand for aesthetics.


-It comes with an extra projection bulb which is a nice bonus. Still trying to decide on the extended Sony warranty. Comes with one year and two for the projector housing or something like that.



That's about it for now!


BJBBJB
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I just received my KDS-R70XBR2 yesterday and here's my quick take on it.



That's about it for now!


BJBBJB
Thak you for the information, very helpful, especially learning about the Torch mode out of the box. I look forward to more updates.


--Larry
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Let me be among the first to thank you for your intial impressions, BJBBJB!!! Looking forward to more reports--especially pq with a variety of motion shots, sports, htpc, etc.
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Let me be among the first to thank you for your intial impressions, BJBBJB!!! Looking forward to more reports--especially pq with a variety of motion shots, sports, htpc, etc.
Perhaps you should start the official owners thread. Thanks for the initial impressions.
BJBBJB,


Thanks for the very valuable and useful information. I would like to suggest that you start an "Owners" thread since you are the first to have real experience with the XBR2. There is a bogus owners thread that has no owners on it, and I have suggested it be removed so the real thing can be started. I believe there should just be one such "Owners" thread so the information is all together in one place.
You should change the thread title to an official owners thread since the other owners don't want to. Let us know what else you like/dislike after playing with the settings more. takes some pics too if you can. thanks for the initial impressions.
Thanks so much for the information. Can't wait to get $500 extra to send to Sony to get my 60" XBR2.... I hate you people that have already gotten one.... :D

BTW: The Owners (non-owners) thread has been closed.....
Hey BJBBJB:


How about making this The Official Sony 60-70" XBR2 Owner's Thread? If, that is, you're willing to take some time away from your set to respond to what will probably by a deluge of questions.


The other Official thread below was shut down by the Mod, since there wasn't one actual real-life owner posting there.


Congratulations and best of luck with your new set. I, too, have an old Pioneer Elite CRT RP and have been waiting a long time to replace it. Hoping this new Sony series could finally be the one.
Any comments on how well (or poorly) the DRC 2.5 is working to improve SD signals? I know you said it looked good, but I'm hoping to hear more details, especially relative to how SD looks on other TVs. Maybe just comparing the PQ with DRC on and off is worthwhile, if that's even possible.
some picture would be nice of your setup, especially of what the sides look like with the speakers are off, like you were describing
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-I needed the side speakers off for my setup and they come off easily. However there is a still a piece of clear material that frames both sides of the set and a plastic cover replaces the speakers and snaps on. You still gain a lot of space on the sides, but that clear glass remains, you are not flush with the plastic frame.
I have to fit in 68" horizontally, will I make it? Sony now says 67.5" w/o speakers, and I was figuring leaving off the trim might gain me even more. But didn't know about the clear plastic!


Also, could you measure from the bottom of the screen to the base? My cabinet has a front face, and I need to figure out how tall a platform I'll have to build to raise it to the right height (It's shorter then my current Philips 65" CRT based RPTV) Thanks, and hope you're enjoying your new set!


Eric
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I just received my KDS-R70XBR2 yesterday and here's my quick take on it.


That's about it for now!


BJBBJB
Thanks for all the info, could you please measure the width and depth of the pedestal base? Also, how far does the back panel of the TV protrude from pedestal base? I'd like to compare the actual measurements to that of the 60" XBR2, which I'll be measuring tonight.
Quick settings Guide for XBR2:


Here are some quick (OK, so it isn't all that quick) suggested settings for the XBR2 which are based on my experiences with a 60 inch XBR1: Set up your room brightness before you try to adjust your set. The primary adjustments that need changing when you go from a bright room to a dark room are: Iris, and some possible minor adjustment of Brightness. Do not change the picture setting.

Setup Settings (on the left side of the main menu) :

Go to Color matrix: This is a new control. For now, leave at Standard ( default setting).

Go to CineMotion and select Auto. This mode is automatic for film and non film sources.


Note Sony has, in the past, done a good job of setting their main controls at defaults that are correct if the source signals are correct. HD sources fit this description well as do sources off most good quality DVD players.


In the main Menu:


1. Picture Mode: Use Custom.

2. Advanced Iris: In the daytime use something close to Max. In a darkened nighttime room try one of the 2 Auto modes.

3. Picture: leave at default. Normally this is a high default setting. Turning it down will harm the Contrast ratio. DVD -adjust down only if the brightness levels on the DVE test disk are crushed (this is not likely).

4. Brightness: HD -If in doubt leave at default or try lowering 1-4 clicks. With DVD use Avia or VDE alignment disks to set this control.

5. Color and Hue: HD-Use default. For Most good DVD players the correct setting with Avia or VDE will be default.

6. Color Temp: Select Warm 1 or 2.

7. Sharpness: HD-Try the default together with the settings of the 3 other controls described below. DVD..try default but this will be DVD depentant.

7. Noise reduction: Normally use Off. If you see noise in the picture ( high frequency noise--grain etc) do not be afraid to increase the Noise reduction to Low or if it is really noisy -possibly Medium. This applies to HD films as well as SD/DVD films.


8 DRC: The XBR2 is different from the earlier XBR1 and a2000. There are 2 modes available with their own Matrix adjustments. The trick here is to use these controls the way Sony intended when they designed V2.5 DRC. Based on limited tests on a new XBR2 LCD set quipped with the V2.5 chip I suggest the following:


For HD shows from Component or HDMI inputs (including for the first time 720P as well as 1080i) use Mode 1. Do not use Mode 2--it has filters that will degrade the high frequency response to something more suitable for DVDs (about 5-6 mHz).

DRC Palette: For high Quality HD shows like Conan O'brion or SNL or for HD DVD disks I suggest using about 50/1, or 75/1 (50 Reality and 1 Clarity). If the show is noisy or poorer in quality to those mentioned try setting the DRC palette to 1/1 (off)


For DVD 480i sources scaled within the player to 1080i and fed into the set via the HDMI connection use Mode 2. Note that this mode is only available when the input format is 1080i. This new -specially designed mode should reduce the presence of spurious noise and the sharpness behavior of the DRC matrix should be more suited to DVDs. DRC Palette: You will have to experiment with this- and it will be program or DVD movie dependent


For Standard Definition shows scaled from 480i to 1080i and fed to the set via HDMI at 1080i (or for SD programs with the internal tuner) -set the DRC to mode 2. DRC palette; Again, experiment with each source.


If you must use a DVD player with only component 480i or 480p output -use Mode 1. Mode 2 is apparently not available.


9. Black Corrector: Off

10.Gamma: Usually leave at off. If the picture appears overall to be too dark -try increasing this to Low and see if you like it better. This control does not change the black or peak white levels--it only changes the brightness of values in-between.

11. Clear White: Off

12. Live Color; OFF

13. Detail Enhancer: Set at low.

14. Edge Enhancer: Set at low. (This adds some Vertical enhancement that is missing from the Sharpness control above.)


I will revise this if needed after I get my XBR2.

Hope this may of some help.


KT
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Hey, I figure I've gotten a lot of help from this forum, hope this helps someone out. I changed the title based on the input. i will leave it to the mod to determine if it is appropriate or to change it.


Tagataya, the base is approx. 41 1/2 inches acrose starts tapering back at approx.10 inches and goes back about 19 inches.


EricBergan, the width is a bit over 67 inches so you should be good. Of course that can "overlap" an opening as the back tapers.


KTTV, thanks for the great Sony tips!!! I agree once I got into the right "mode" the default settings within that mode were not too bad.


HappyFunBoater, I plan to play with DRC and will see what it looks like on and off.


Zeus, my username means nothing....just a decision to find unused letters years ago. Hey, can you edit them??!!


Sorry, no pix. Not in final resting place. However there are posts with pix of it without speakers on the 70 inch rumour thread.


Hope this helps,,


BJBBJB
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Hey, I figure I've gotten a lot of help from this forum, hope this helps someone out. I changed the title based on the input. i will leave it to the mod to determine if it is appropriate or to change it.


Tagataya, the base is approx. 41 1/2 inches acrose starts tapering back at approx.10 inches and goes back about 19 inches.


EricBergan, the width is a bit over 67 inches so you should be good. Of course that can "overlap" an opening as the back tapers.


KTTV, thanks for the great Sony tips!!! I agree once I got into the right "mode" the default settings within that mode were not too bad.


HappyFunBoater, I plan to play with DRC and will see what it looks like on and off.


Zeus, my username means nothing....just a decision to find unused letters years ago. Hey, can you edit them??!!


Sorry, no pix. Not in final resting place. However there are posts with pix of it without speakers on the 70 inch rumour thread.


Hope this helps,,


BJBBJB
Thanks a lot for the great info! One other question, approximately how long does it take for a picture to display after you power up the set? :)
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Congratulations :cool: your thread makes it even harder to wait until I have enough saved back for one of these babies
Sorry to nag a new owner who probably just wants to watch some damn TV at this point, but there is a question you are in a unique position to answer that lots of folks are waiting on.


Namely, is the VGA input on this unit better than the one on the a2000. As we all know, the a2000 HDMI ports will do 1920x1080 (with overscan) from a dvi-hdmi adapter coming out of an HTPC.


But the vga on the a2000 is limited to 1360x768.


The owners manual for the xbr2 models (both 60 and 70) indicates the vga port will go up to 1920x1080 now, a signficant improvement over both xbr1 and a2000. But owners manuals have been wrong before. :)


So I'm keen to know if somebody with an actual display can confirm if the owners manual is correct.


It would be great to know if the VGA port was going to be useful again (vs. being ignored in favor of HTPC hookups via HDMI).


Especially given the coming Xbox360 enhancement that will allow it to do 1080p over VGA but not HDMI (as no cable exists).


Thanks for any insights you can provide. Hooking a PC up to the VGA port and looking for the highest res that shows up in the video control panel would probably do it.
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BJBBJB,


For the best black levels you will also want to put your SXRD in low power mode.
oooooooooooooh!!!!!! I can't wait. Thanks BJBBBJJBB
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