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Presently the Lumagen is used for tone mapping and switching, delivering the same signal to both projectors splitting with a one in two out HDMI splitter just before the projectors.

The HDR now really has enough light to see a dramatic difference. When I had one 5000 HDR really was a wash compared to SDR as to which one looked better on a given title with my size screen.

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So, how does SDR compare for single vs stacked? Similar dramatic difference?
 

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Hey Art, seeing that third pic made me wonder how good your black and white movies look now - with sunglasses on!

Well the nice thing is there is now headroom to do things a single projector couldn't do. The screen size really was the issue. Obviously, on a significantly smaller screen the effect would be the same but where's the fun in that ?;)



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So, how does SDR compare for single vs stacked? Similar dramatic difference?

SDR looks better too so you have to decide if you want to maintain the difference between SDR and HDR or not. Before ,on the screen size I have, there just wasn't enough light to make HDR have any sort of real advantage.


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Yeah, Ken was at my place yesterday calibrating my Balder and he mentioned that. In St Louis. I’m only two Sony 5000s behind!


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Yes, he will be coming back here after that stack to get things more finalized prior to my get together on the 28th.


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SDR looks better too so you have to decide if you want to maintain the difference between SDR and HDR or not. Before ,on the screen size I have, there just wasn't enough light to make HDR have any sort of real advantage.


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So, it sounds like to me that if the stack is used for both SDR and HDR, they both look much (dramatically) better; however, the difference between SDR and HDR may not necessarily be noticeable if the stack is used for both SDR & HDR. Ultimately, I'd think folks would be interested in seeing the absolute best output for SDR as well as HDR; being able to differentiate the two may not necessarily be important (in my mind at least).
 

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So, it sounds like to me that if the stack is used for both SDR and HDR, they both look much (dramatically) better; however, the difference between SDR and HDR may not necessarily be noticeable if the stack is used for both SDR & HDR. Ultimately, I'd think folks would be interested in seeing the absolute best output for SDR as well as HDR; being able to differentiate the two may not necessarily be important (in my mind at least).

I'm going to give you my take. SDR looks good for me at more than 30fL. I found that when I had lamp based projectors a new lamp on my 14' screen at that time, it had a much more punchy look at 40 fL. I could get that output but only when the lamp had just been installed, in a few weeks in was down to about to about 31 to 29 range. Literally, it looked less appealing every single time I turned it on. When I got my first 5000 I still had the 14' screen when I went to 16" it still had enough light for SDR at around 30fL but when it was set up for HDR it was obvious that lowering the overall picture level to obtain the effects of specular highlights left the image looking overall way too dim. The result was that I preferred SDR in any given instance, generally, to what HDR could give with the amount of lumens the device could provide.


In comes Chris Cooley tells me he is going to stack 5000s in his theater on his 17' screen was I interested in a second projector to do the same. Now HDR looks great with the lumens needed to make it work satisfactorily on a 16' screen.


To say that I don't like SDR with 70fL would be a lie , I do ,but I don't have to have the extra light there I do with HDR. So I run SDR to give me about 40fL most of the time....:eek:




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Here is a list of some of the Fox Regalscope titles which were the studio's Cinemascope films done in black and white. Seems to have ended in 1960:


The Black Whip
The Desperadoes Are in Town

Apache Warrior
Back From the Dead
Badlands of Montana
Copper Sky
Ghost Diver
God Is My Partner
Hell on Devil's Island
Kronos
Lure of the Swamp
Plunder Road
Ride a Violent Mile
Rockabilly Baby
She Devil
The Abductors
The Quiet Gun
The Storm Rider
The Unknown Terror
The Women of Pitcairn Island
Under Fire
Young and Dangerous
Ambush At Cimarron Pass
Blood Arrow
Desert Hell
Escape from Red Rock
Flaming Frontier
Frontier Gun
Gang War
She Demons
Showdown At Boot Hill
Space Master X-7
Wolf Dog
Alaska Passage
Blood and Steel
Here Come the Jets
Lone Texan
The Little Savage
Art Sonneborn

I just stumbled on a post you did way back years ago.
If you see this post where do you purchase the Black & White movies on DVD ???
Also are any of those available on Blu-ray ???

Thanks,
Terry
 

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Art Sonneborn

I just stumbled on a post you did way back years ago.
If you see this post where do you purchase the Black & White movies on DVD ???
Also are any of those available on Blu-ray ???

Thanks,
Terry
Most are from amazon. These are the films I have that are scope AR and black and white.

36 Hours
Thriller​
NR-R​
James Garner​
George Seaton​
1965​
Blu-ray disc​
115 mins​
The 400 Blows
Drama​
NR-R​
Jean-Pierre Léaud​
François Truffaut​
1959​
Blu-ray disc​
99 mins​
The Abominable Snowman of the Himalayas
Adventure​
PG​
Peter Cushing​
Val Guest​
1957​
Blu-ray disc​
86 mins​
The Apartment
Romance​
NR-R​
Jack Lemmon​
Billy Wilder​
1960​
Blu-ray disc​
125 mins​
The Beat Generation
Drama​
NR-R​
Steve Cochran​
Charles F. Haas​
1959​
Blu-ray disc​
95 mins​
Beyond a Reasonable Doubt
Crime​
NR-R​
Dana Andrews​
Fritz Lang​
1956​
Blu-ray disc​
80 mins​
Brainstorm
Drama​
NR-R​
Jeffrey Hunter​
William Conrad​
1965​
DVD​
105 mins​
The Diary of Anne Frank
Drama​
NR-R​
Millie Perkins​
George Stevens​
1959​
Blu-ray disc​
179 mins​
The Enemy Below
War​
NR-R​
Robert Mitchum​
Dick Powell​
1957​
Blu-ray disc​
98 mins​
Fate Is the Hunter
Drama​
NR-R​
Glenn Ford​
Ralph Nelson​
1964​
Blu-ray disc​
106 mins​
The Female Animal
Drama​
NR-G​
Hedy Lamarr​
Harry Keller​
1958​
Blu-ray disc​
84 mins​
Forty Guns
Western​
NR-R​
Barbara Stanwyck​
Samuel Fuller​
1957​
Blu-ray disc​
80 mins​
High and Low
Crime​
NR-R​
Toshiro Mifune​
Akira Kurosawa​
1963​
Blu-ray disc​
143 mins​
The Hustler
Drama​
NR-R​
Paul Newman​
Robert Rossen​
1961​
Blu-ray disc​
135 mins​
Ikarie XB-1
Sci-Fi​
NR-R​
Zdenek Stepánek​
Jindrich Polák​
1963​
Blu-ray disc​
87 mins​
In Cold Blood
Crime​
R​
Robert Blake​
Richard Brooks​
1967​
Blu-ray disc​
134 mins​
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Sci-Fi​
NR-R​
Kevin McCarthy​
Don Siegel​
1956​
Blu-ray disc​
80 mins​
Jailhouse Rock
Musical​
NR-G​
Elvis Presley​
Richard Thorpe​
1957​
Blu-ray disc​
96 mins​
Kronos
Sci-Fi​
NR-G​
Jeff Morrow​
Kurt Neumann​
1957​
DVD​
90 mins​
The Last Man on Earth
Horror​
NR-R​
Vincent Price​
Sidney Salkow​
1964​
Blu-ray disc​
87 mins​
Last Year at Marienbad
Drama​
NR-R​
Delphine Seyrig​
Alain Resnais​
1961​
Blu-ray disc​
94 mins​
The Longest Day
War​
G​
Eddie Albert​
Ken Annakin​
1962​
Blu-ray disc​
178 mins​
Love Me Tender
Musical​
NR-G​
Elvis Presley​
Robert Webb​
1956​
Blu-ray disc​
89 mins​
The Man Who Died Twice
NR-R​
Rod Cameron​
Joseph Kane​
1958​
Blu-ray disc​
70 mins​
Manhattan
Comedy​
R​
Woody Allen​
Woody Allen​
1979​
Blu-ray disc​
96 mins​
Panic in Year Zero!
Thriller​
NR-R​
Ray Milland​
Ray Milland​
1962​
Blu-ray disc​
93 mins​
Pickup Alley
Drama​
NR-R​
Victor Mature​
John Gilling​
1957​
Blu-ray disc​
92 mins​
Plunder Road
Film Noir​
NR-R​
Gene Raymond​
Hubert Cornfield​
1957​
Blu-ray disc​
72 mins​
The Return of the Fly
Horror​
NR-R​
Vincent Price​
Edward Bernds​
1959​
Blu-ray disc​
86 mins​
Sanjuro
Action​
PG-13​
Toshiro Mifune​
Akira Kurosawa​
1962​
Blu-ray disc​
96 mins​
She Devil
Horror​
NR-R​
Mari Blanchard​
Kurt Neumann​
1957​
Blu-ray disc​
77 mins​
The Tarnished Angels
Drama​
NR-R​
Rock Hudson​
Douglas Sirk​
1957​
DVD​
91 mins​
While the City Sleeps
Film Noir​
NR-R​
Dana Andrews​
Fritz Lang​
1956​
Blu-ray disc​
99 mins​
Yojimbo
Martial Arts​
NR-R​
Toshiro Mifune​
Akira Kurosawa​
1961​
Blu-ray disc​
110 mins​
 

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Most are from amazon. These are the films I have that are scope AR and black and white.

36 Hours
Thriller​
NR-R​
James Garner​
George Seaton​
1965​
Blu-ray disc​
115 mins​
The 400 Blows
Drama​
NR-R​
Jean-Pierre Léaud​
François Truffaut​
1959​
Blu-ray disc​
99 mins​
The Abominable Snowman of the Himalayas
Adventure​
PG​
Peter Cushing​
Val Guest​
1957​
Blu-ray disc​
86 mins​
The Apartment
Romance​
NR-R​
Jack Lemmon​
Billy Wilder​
1960​
Blu-ray disc​
125 mins​
The Beat Generation
Drama​
NR-R​
Steve Cochran​
Charles F. Haas​
1959​
Blu-ray disc​
95 mins​
Beyond a Reasonable Doubt
Crime​
NR-R​
Dana Andrews​
Fritz Lang​
1956​
Blu-ray disc​
80 mins​
Brainstorm
Drama​
NR-R​
Jeffrey Hunter​
William Conrad​
1965​
DVD​
105 mins​
The Diary of Anne Frank
Drama​
NR-R​
Millie Perkins​
George Stevens​
1959​
Blu-ray disc​
179 mins​
The Enemy Below
War​
NR-R​
Robert Mitchum​
Dick Powell​
1957​
Blu-ray disc​
98 mins​
Fate Is the Hunter
Drama​
NR-R​
Glenn Ford​
Ralph Nelson​
1964​
Blu-ray disc​
106 mins​
The Female Animal
Drama​
NR-G​
Hedy Lamarr​
Harry Keller​
1958​
Blu-ray disc​
84 mins​
Forty Guns
Western​
NR-R​
Barbara Stanwyck​
Samuel Fuller​
1957​
Blu-ray disc​
80 mins​
High and Low
Crime​
NR-R​
Toshiro Mifune​
Akira Kurosawa​
1963​
Blu-ray disc​
143 mins​
The Hustler
Drama​
NR-R​
Paul Newman​
Robert Rossen​
1961​
Blu-ray disc​
135 mins​
Ikarie XB-1
Sci-Fi​
NR-R​
Zdenek Stepánek​
Jindrich Polák​
1963​
Blu-ray disc​
87 mins​
In Cold Blood
Crime​
R​
Robert Blake​
Richard Brooks​
1967​
Blu-ray disc​
134 mins​
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Sci-Fi​
NR-R​
Kevin McCarthy​
Don Siegel​
1956​
Blu-ray disc​
80 mins​
Jailhouse Rock
Musical​
NR-G​
Elvis Presley​
Richard Thorpe​
1957​
Blu-ray disc​
96 mins​
Kronos
Sci-Fi​
NR-G​
Jeff Morrow​
Kurt Neumann​
1957​
DVD​
90 mins​
The Last Man on Earth
Horror​
NR-R​
Vincent Price​
Sidney Salkow​
1964​
Blu-ray disc​
87 mins​
Last Year at Marienbad
Drama​
NR-R​
Delphine Seyrig​
Alain Resnais​
1961​
Blu-ray disc​
94 mins​
The Longest Day
War​
G​
Eddie Albert​
Ken Annakin​
1962​
Blu-ray disc​
178 mins​
Love Me Tender
Musical​
NR-G​
Elvis Presley​
Robert Webb​
1956​
Blu-ray disc​
89 mins​
The Man Who Died Twice
NR-R​
Rod Cameron​
Joseph Kane​
1958​
Blu-ray disc​
70 mins​
Manhattan
Comedy​
R​
Woody Allen​
Woody Allen​
1979​
Blu-ray disc​
96 mins​
Panic in Year Zero!
Thriller​
NR-R​
Ray Milland​
Ray Milland​
1962​
Blu-ray disc​
93 mins​
Pickup Alley
Drama​
NR-R​
Victor Mature​
John Gilling​
1957​
Blu-ray disc​
92 mins​
Plunder Road
Film Noir​
NR-R​
Gene Raymond​
Hubert Cornfield​
1957​
Blu-ray disc​
72 mins​
The Return of the Fly
Horror​
NR-R​
Vincent Price​
Edward Bernds​
1959​
Blu-ray disc​
86 mins​
Sanjuro
Action​
PG-13​
Toshiro Mifune​
Akira Kurosawa​
1962​
Blu-ray disc​
96 mins​
She Devil
Horror​
NR-R​
Mari Blanchard​
Kurt Neumann​
1957​
Blu-ray disc​
77 mins​
The Tarnished Angels
Drama​
NR-R​
Rock Hudson​
Douglas Sirk​
1957​
DVD​
91 mins​
While the City Sleeps
Film Noir​
NR-R​
Dana Andrews​
Fritz Lang​
1956​
Blu-ray disc​
99 mins​
Yojimbo
Martial Arts​
NR-R​
Toshiro Mifune​
Akira Kurosawa​
1961​
Blu-ray disc​
110 mins​
Thanks for this list that cannot be generated using any filters in any database! I've only heard of some of these and seen none of these-:) but do have a fascination for B&W movies from the bygone era. There is something very pristine about old B&W movies (not just content but even visually) that can't be found in contemporary or color movies. Scope B&W movies (and I haven't watched even one) take that visual appeal to the next level. It is truly amazing how plain old B&W movies can have such visual appeal, despite lacking reality (color)-:) Anyway, I'll get some or most of these to add to my watch list!
 
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