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King Kong '05 HD-DVD on JVC RS1 vs. Mits. HC6000

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TomT99

Discussion Starter · Jan 18, 2008

I am debating between these two pjs, and thought this might be a good test DVD to help put things in perspective. While the HC6000 is reputed to be sharper, the RS1's contrast ratio and blacks are rated superior. Which would (does) this movie look better on?

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Lawguy

· #2 · Jan 18, 2008

One thing to keep in mind is that sharpness will vary from unit to unit in any 3-chip projector design.

Some units of a model will have better panel covergence than others. If convergence is bad on a particular unit, the sharpest lens in the world will not help you.

My RS1 is tack sharp. All the reviews that I have read compare its sharpess favorably to 1-chip dlp, which is the standard, essentially.

frank456

· #3 · Jan 19, 2008

My RS2 ( temporary )

looks great but wish it had the same lens as on my sharp 20000 ( permanent ).

The mitsubishi has accurate colors ( as I am told ) but I prefer the look of the RS2 even if some criticize it as being too over saturated. I just think that the RS2 with the CR values it has mixed with the strong color pallet makes for an image that really pops off the screen. Image depth - smoothness - almost no video noise - ultimate sharpness - great blacks always attracted me to my DLP model.

Both projectors are something special to spend a couple hours each with once in a while.

The mitsubishi is really good I might add as well at a much lower cost. I have had plenty of LCD projectors and never had any problems with them ever.

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R Harkness

· #4 · Jan 19, 2008

The Sharp 2K is insanely sharp. I even compared it to the Panasonic 103' plasma and the sharp was...sharper.

That said, when I demoed a JVC RS1 at a forum member's house, watching DVDs and HD-DVD I found the sharpness terrific and very satisfying. As in "How could it get sharper?" No doubt, with the Sharp 2K projector in a side by side, the sharpness of the Sharp would win out.

As far as the Mits HC6000 vs the JVC, the Mits has quite a reputation as one of the sharpest projectors out there (in the "affordable" class). A dealer acquaintance of mine who had read a lot about the RS1 and who lobbied for their store to test out the JVC told me that once they received both the JVC and the Mits HC6000, the HC6000 "killed" the JVC. Particularly in terms of sharpness and detail. He said black levels were close, with the nod to the JVC, but he'd take the Mits easily.

FWIW.

I've been wanting to see the Mits HC6000 too, but

1. Now I'm looking at the JVC RS2 and I doubt the Mits can quite keep up contrast-black level-wise.

2. The RS2 *might* be a tad sharper, for whatever reason, than the RS1, if many user reports are correct.

3. I'm a bit throw-range challenged in my set up and want the biggest image possible.

The zoom range of the Mits is smaller than the JVC, so it would mean sacrificing image size.

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Pedro2

· #5 · Jan 19, 2008

Might want to also check out the new Epson, excellent reviews so far. If Mitsubishi would put the D7 panel in the HC6000 that is in the Epson it would be amazing.

rolandlim

· #6 · Jan 19, 2008

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Originally Posted by Pedro2 /forum/post/12866428

Might want to also check out the new Epson, excellent reviews so far. If Mitsubishi would put the D7 panel in the HC6000 that is in the Epson it would be amazing.

The improvement in contrast and black level of the Epson 1080UB is not simply due to changing from D6 to D7 panels. Quite a bit of the improvement is probably from Epson's so called "Deep Black Technology", which is basically changes and improvement with the polarizers rather than something to do with the LCD panels.

If D7 panels alone can improve contrast and black level by so much, then we should see similar improvement in other D7 panels projectors like the Panasonic 2000 and the Sanyo 2000.

Pedro2

· #7 · Jan 19, 2008

My point was that the HC6000 does surprisingly well with the old D6 panel--so well that it competes quite well with some projectors using the new D7 panel (Panasonic, Sanyo). This leads me to reasonably speculate that the HC6000 with the new D7 panel would be extremely impressive. Mitsubishi seems to be doing something special with the D6, so if it could do the same with the D7 we would have an amazing projector.

frank456

· #8 · Jan 19, 2008

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Mitsubishi has really come alive with there recent releases. There LCD models are really state of the art for the liquid crystal fans.

Rich if it was not you commenting on the sharp vs. plasma observations I would have figured the person saying it was having a bad day.

It makes me twice as proud to own the 2k hearing that from someone who has really had first hand experience and spent a considerable time viewing the 2 products.

If the budget agrees then I would certainly lean towards the RS2 as I favour the 'look' it produces. I would take slightly over done color reproduction against 'accurate' which I feel does not 'pop' as much with the image reproduction.

After all it is a movie you are watching and I want it to look 'better' than real life which I have to put up with all day anyways.

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TomT99

Discussion Starter · #9 · Jan 21, 2008

So Harkness, he really thought the RS1 only had a slight advantage in terms of black levels?

R Harkness

· #10 · Jan 21, 2008

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Originally Posted by TomT99 /forum/post/12884250

So Harkness, he really thought the RS1 only had a slight advantage in terms of black levels?

That's what he told me. I don't know if I'd agree with him if I saw the shoot-out, but I didn't see it. The Mits really has that reputation for a sharp image so I can see how that could impress a viewer in a side by side with the

RS1. And who knows how well converged the RS1 unit was in that comparison?

Alex512

· #11 · Jan 21, 2008

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Originally Posted by TomT99 /forum/post/12884250

So Harkness, he really thought the RS1 only had a slight advantage in terms of black levels?

Tom,

I think there is more to it then just black level. The fact that the JVC is not using a DI to achieve a very high CR speaks volumes to me (not knocking the Mits.). As far a sharpness, I think the JVC is very sharp, sharper than any of the older LCD's i'm use to.

Edit: Did you get PM?

Alex

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frank456

· #12 · Jan 22, 2008

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Alex: No question about it that the RS1-2 look sharp and detailed.

I have the fortunate circumstance of having a permanent sharp 20000 projector and an RS2 for at least another month before having to give it back to a co-worker. The RS2 has in my opinion a slight advantage over the sharp in black reproduction and contrast performance on certain material. It does not quite have the razor edge sharpness the 20000 has though. Both projectors look very similar to me on general program material. The 20000 uses a 'fixed' iris so the CR rating for this projector is 'native'. The RS2 for light output at 'calibrated' levels along with no RBE make it a very popular model as this forum shows.

I will hate to give it up.

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R Harkness

· #13 · Jan 22, 2008

Aaagh. It's killing me reading about the RS2. Especially reading in comparison with the Sharp 20K, which is my other favorite projector (sans rainbows). I saw King Kong HD on the RS1 and it blew my mind. I've got Blu Ray and HD DVD discs piling up in my house with no full HD display to watch them on! This HT project is torturous..

frank456

· #14 · Jan 22, 2008

Watch the HDDVD movie 'Dune' on the RS2 and see how 'black' and 'detailed' the space scene is during the first 5 minutes of the feature. There is also a 5 minute scene after the opening credits where there is a conversation between the leaders of 2 allied planets. The gold and bronze colored auditorium plus the black uniform on the king himself and the alien portable life support unit have blacks that have to be seen to believe. The RS2 is one of the few projectors I have seen which can render this disc worthy.

R Harkness

· #15 · Jan 22, 2008

frank456,

Which screen are you using? Do you have full light control/dark decor?

frank456

· #16 · Jan 23, 2008

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I use a carada bw 1.4 gain. I used to have a draper m1300 1.3 gain.

I actually have light decor in my room. Contrary to what most members say I find this more family friendly for using the room when the movie is 'not' playing.

It is 100% bat cave dark when the lights go out.

Check out the link for photos. Not the greatest theater on the forum but it works when showing off to the plasma crowd.

Had to throw that in there rich.

www.Franks-Home-Theatre.piczo.com

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R Harkness

· #17 · Jan 23, 2008

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Originally Posted by frank456 /forum/post/12901557

I use a carada bw 1.4 gain. I used to have a draper m1300 1.3 gain.

I actually have light decor in my room. Contrary to what most members say I find this more family friendly for using the room when the movie is 'not' playing.

It is 100% bat cave dark when the lights go out.

Check out the link for photos. Not the greatest theater on the forum but it works when showing off to the plasma crowd.

Had to throw that in there rich.

www.Franks-Home-Theatre.piczo.com

Nice theater! Looks pleasant to stay in.

So you have the Carada Brilliant White? Do you like it?

That's just the screen I wish to pair with the RS2. I had been originally planning on the RS1 with the Carada Classic Cinema White neutral gain screen. But given the lower light output of the RS2, and as I want a pretty big screen size, it seems like a logical choice to up the gain to the BW screen material. I only worry about loosing the RS2s excellent black levels by moving up to the 1.4 gain. I plan on having dark decor and total light control.

frank456

· #18 · Jan 23, 2008

I have had nothing but an excellent experience with this screen. For what they cost and the excellent customer service I could not recommend them more.

IMO screens with gains in the low ranges ( 1.0-1.5) have shown no challenges to the super high native CR values the RS1-2 produce. The RS2 looks fabulous on the Carada. I seen an RS1 on a .8 grey screen and while it lowered the black levels slightly the trade off was a less than stellar experience in all other picture charactaristics which make the JVC so special. Tryg swears by the HP screen with his RS1 and that is a 2.8 gain.

Dark room accents will only help.

R Harkness

· #19 · Jan 23, 2008

Great, thanks frank. That helps me feel more settled in my decision.

mlang46

· #20 · Jan 23, 2008

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Originally Posted by Lawguy /forum/post/12858744

One thing to keep in mind is that sharpness will vary from unit to unit in any 3-chip projector design.

Some units of a model will have better panel covergence than others. If convergence is bad on a particular unit, the sharpest lens in the world will not help you.

My RS1 is tack sharp. All the reviews that I have read compare its sharpess favorably to 1-chip dlp, which is the standard, essentially.

I read a review which said that yo could electronically adjust the convergence of the RS1. Is that true?

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