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I pulled the trigger on the klipsch r12sw because I was able to get it for $314 brand new, but I want to know if I got a good deal and how it compares to the ones in the title, or whether there was a significantly better option for the price I paid.
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also does the quality of the subwoofer cable really matter? Im still using the cable that came with my Onkyo HTIB 5 years ago, lol.
 

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in my opinion i think thats a good deal klipsch make good subwoofers. for the subwoofer cable quality if you upgrade from the one that come with the system(the cable that come with those system tend to be cheap and not shielded)you would get a smoother sound. i get most of my cable from monoprice.com they make good cable for the price
 

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in my opinion i think thats a good deal klipsch make good subwoofers. for the subwoofer cable quality if you upgrade from the one that come with the system(the cable that come with those system tend to be cheap and not shielded)you would get a smoother sound. i get most of my cable from monoprice.com they make good cable for the price
How would you describe smoother sound? Would that be a significant difference?
 

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Can't speak for the other two brands, but I own the Sub12. I've been happy with it's performance. For $200 buy two if you can. After 6 years of running one, I added the sub 12hg about two weeks ago. No difference in the two models except the newer model, HG, has high gloss on the front. Now comparing the SUB12hg vs the r12sw. I've never heard the r12sw, but the specs don't look as good as the Sub 12hg. The Sub 12hg is rated at 100 more watts RMS and weighs about 8 pounds more.
 

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Can't speak for the other two brands, but I own the Sub12. I've been happy with it's performance. For $200 buy two if you can. After 6 years of running one, I added the sub 12hg about two weeks ago. No difference in the two models except the newer model, HG, has high gloss on the front. Now comparing the SUB12hg vs the r12sw. I've never heard the r12sw, but the specs don't look as good as the Sub 12hg. The Sub 12hg is rated at 100 more watts RMS and weighs about 8 pounds more.
I originally wanted the 12 hg, but I read that the 12sw pairs better with rf 42 s because they are both reference series, don't really know if that matters all that much or not. I was actually wondering if I should have gotten the r112sw instead of the r12ww for like 150 more, but the room in my house isn't that big and I am coming from an old htib subwoofer lol
 

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Can't speak for the other two brands, but I own the Sub12. I've been happy with it's performance. For $200 buy two if you can. After 6 years of running one, I added the sub 12hg about two weeks ago. No difference in the two models except the newer model, HG, has high gloss on the front. Now comparing the SUB12hg vs the r12sw. I've never heard the r12sw, but the specs don't look as good as the Sub 12hg. The Sub 12hg is rated at 100 more watts RMS and weighs about 8 pounds more.
But then, why does the r12sw cost more?
 

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Damm it now I'm questioning my entire purchase, lol. I know this isn't the right forum but while I'm at it what's better the rf 42 ii or the infinity primus 363? Also I bought the r12sw for 314, so if the sub 12 hg is better and 80 dollars less... well.. or how do both of these compare to the r112sw? Damm it I'm all uncertain now lol
 

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So basically my thought process has come to this: would you guys say it's worth returning the r12sw to buy the better speced sub 12hg for 80 dollars less? Is this worth time and effort?
Or alternatively, how would the r112sw compare to the sub 12 hg? Would the r12sw be worth the extra money?
 

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Can't speak for the other two brands, but I own the Sub12. I've been happy with it's performance. For $200 buy two if you can. After 6 years of running one, I added the sub 12hg about two weeks ago. No difference in the two models except the newer model, HG, has high gloss on the front. Now comparing the SUB12hg vs the r12sw. I've never heard the r12sw, but the specs don't look as good as the Sub 12hg. The Sub 12hg is rated at 100 more watts RMS and weighs about 8 pounds more.
This, and r12sw has a response of 29Hz-120Hz and the sub12hg is 24Hz-120Hz. Like I said, I looked thisbup but I don't have enough understanding of the specs to know whether it makes a difference
 

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This, and r12sw has a response of 29Hz-120Hz and the sub12hg is 24Hz-120Hz. Like I said, I looked thisbup but I don't have enough understanding of the specs to know whether it makes a difference
That's all Klipsch has about these subs? I didn't look myself...

Since there's no accompanying definition the numbers don't mean a lot (i.e. as to what variance over that range, expressed in +/- 3dB preferably, but often when this definition is not present the lower end could easily be the -10dB point instead). The wattage is not so meaningful without knowing the impedance or sensitivity of the speaker (or the spec behind the 100 watt number for that matter). If equal the sub12hg digs a bit deeper but who knows at what spl? The only Klipsch sub listed at data-bass.com is the SW-311 so not much help there.
 

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That's all Klipsch has about these subs? I didn't look myself...

Since there's no accompanying definition the numbers don't mean a lot (i.e. as to what variance over that range, expressed in +/- 3dB preferably, but often when this definition is not present the lower end could easily be the -10dB point instead). The wattage is not so meaningful without knowing the impedance or sensitivity of the speaker (or the spec behind the 100 watt number for that matter). If equal the sub12hg digs a bit deeper but who knows at what spl? The only Klipsch sub listed at data-bass.com is the SW-311 so not much help there.
R12sw specs I found (lowest price currently available $314) :
FREQUENCY RESPONSE:29Hz-120Hz +/-3dB
MAXIMUM ACOUSTIC OUTPUT:116dB
AMPLIFIER:All digital
AMPLIFIER POWER:200W / 400W
DRIVE COMPONENTS:12" (30.5 cm) high excursion, IMG, front-firing woofer
ENCLOSURE MATERIAL:MDF
ENCLOSURE TYPE:Bass Reflex
INPUTS:Line level/LFE RCA jacks
HEIGHT:16" / 40.64 cm (16.5" with feet)
WIDTH:14" / 35.56 cm
DEPTH:18.5" / 47 cm (19.2" with grille)
WEIGHT:33 lbs (15 kg)
FINISH:Brushed Black Polymer Veneer
FEATURES:Volume, Lowpass, Phase, Auto Power
PHASE:Switchable 0-180 degrees
BUILT FROM:2014

Sub12hg specs (lowest price currently available $199):
FREQUENCY RESPONSE:24-120Hz +/-3dB
MAXIMUM ACOUSTIC OUTPUT:117dB @ 30Hz 1/8 space, 1m
AMPLIFIER:BASH(r) digital hybrid
AMPLIFIER POWER:FTC Rated Power: 300 watts continuous @ 1% THD, Dynamic Power: 650 watts
DRIVE COMPONENTS:12" (30.5cm) fiber-composite cone, down-firing woofer
ENCLOSURE TYPE:Bass-reflex via rear-firing port
INPUTS:L/R line-level RCA jacks, L/R high level speaker binding posts
OUTPUTS:L/R High level speaker binding posts (passthru)
HEIGHT:18 (45.7cm) H
WIDTH:15 (38.1cm) W
DEPTH:19.9 (50.5cm) D
WEIGHT:40 lbs. (18.2kg)
FINISHES:Black vinyl
FEATURES:Volume, Lowpass, Phase, Auto Power
PHASE:Switchable 0-180 degrees
VOLTAGE:110/120 VAC 60Hz
EXPORT VOLTAGE:220 VAC 50/60Hz
BUILT FROM:2005

r112sw specs (lowest price currently available $454):
FREQUENCY RESPONSE:24Hz-125Hz +/-3dB
MAXIMUM ACOUSTIC OUTPUT:118dB
AMPLIFIER:All digital
AMPLIFIER POWER:300W / 600W
DRIVE COMPONENTS:12" (30.5 cm) long-throw copper spun cerametallic, front-firing woofer
ENCLOSURE MATERIAL:MDF
ENCLOSURE TYPE:Bass Reflex
INPUTS:L/R line-level/LFE RCA jacks, Wireless WA-2 Port
HEIGHT:17.38" / 41.4 cm
WIDTH:15.5" / 39.37 cm
DEPTH:18.25" / 46.36 cm
WEIGHT:48.75 lbs / 22.1 kg
FINISH:Brushed Black Polymer Veneer
FEATURES:Gain, Lowpass, Phase, Auto Power
PHASE:Switchable 0-180 degrees
BUILT FROM:2014

I'd appreciate it if you can kinda break this from me and recommend/advise accordingly
 

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Damm it now I'm questioning my entire purchase, lol. I know this isn't the right forum but while I'm at it what's better the rf 42 ii or the infinity primus 363?

FWIW I think the Andrew Jones Pioneer FS52s are better than either, and there's quite a lot of reviews/posts of others who think so too.
 

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I own two klipsch subs and UNDERWHELMING is how I would describe the qualities. I have the Rw12D 12 inch and the synergy 10 inch. The Synegy is not in use at all and the RW12D is moved to a TV only setting...

Now, i haven't heard the two subs you are listing, so maybe those are better!
 

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I think you just talked me into returning this
Sorry. That wasn't my intent. The biggest question is how does it sound to you? Do you like like the way your r12sw sounds? Your sign says you're in Houston. Go to Fry's and get them to pricematch Amazon on the sub 12. I've already checked for you it looks like they have inventory at all three stores. Do your own test and see which you like better. Specs are good to know, but go with your ear.

http://www.frys.com/product/7580936?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
 

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Specs are +/- 3dB for each and the 12HG does dig a bit deeper (which you might even have a hard time side by side telling the difference on but that would be the best way to determine audible differences of course). On paper the 12HG does look to be the better buy for the spec info provided. I have an RW12 in my bedroom and for $300 at the time (retail was listed anywhere from 699 to 899 depending when and what you read) I have no issues with the sub, and its spec is similar to the 12HG IIRC. Can you pickup the 12HG and then compare then decide which to keep?

Personally I'd say the subs in this area are going to be okay, but if you are serious about having a good sub, then save up some more and aim more for the $500-800 entry level subs from the likes of SVS, Power Sound, Reaction Audio, Outlaw, etc. Klipsch and the other big box speaker branded subs generally aren't in the same league. OTOH multiple subs have benefits, too, and two of the 12HG for $400 compared to slightly over $300 for the one you got sounds pretty good, too. Good luck with your decision.
 
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