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I owned the RW-12d for a mouth now, its a good sub for the money, the only problem is port noise, which is very annoying at times.

I hear this port noise mostly with movies, rarely with music.. My next sub will be a sealed type unit.. I should of ordered the EMO x-10, I think I would of been happier in the long run...
 

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The X-Ref 10 is really not a good sub for HT. Music, yes, but it doesn't have the necessary extension to properly convey a blu-ray soundtrack.


A couple of nice sealed subs are the Rumba 12 and SB12-NSD . Both will handle music and movies, so you aren't giving up anything with either of them.
 

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The klipsch sub at $300 represents the best sub value I know of. If you are getting port noise you are taking the unit to its limits in your room, Either your room is large or you are listening to higher volumes than this ported Klipsch is designed to deliver. However, as Jim said - don't second guess your decision with another budget sub. You cannot expect a sealed 10" sub to come close in output to the ported 12".


Read the Sound and Vision 2007 subwoofer shootout and understand that the klipsch compared reasonably well (midpack) with four other popular $700 internet subs.
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/shootout-five-mid-price-subwoofers


If you are taking the klipsch to the port chuffing limits with much more output desired you are going to need to buy a pair of quality 15s or maybe even 18s to be happy. If you are just barely encountering their limits a second unit may be just what the doctor ordered. I know of no better value at the price point --- but there surely are better subs! The oulaw lfm-ex1 that was measured in the sound and vision review scored a bit better than the klipsch but it is also $650 at cheapest on sale - as is the new HSU offering. The new SVS offering is a bit more. Once you get to the $800 to $1000 sub range there are subs that will really outpreform the Klispch, but at the $500 and less pricepoint your going to have to find a pretty good unique sale to find a significantly better sub.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1390563/klipsch-rw-12d-omnimic-frequency-response-graphs/0_20
 

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Is it true that I need to set the LFE (ch .1 offset) to -10db, I have tried this and I lose the big bang at low listening levels, but get port noise at higher volume levels. Its hard to judge, cause its all unreal ( bangs and booms), so I go by what sounds good to me, I just might go for a second sub.
 

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Originally Posted by JimWilson  /t/1420999/klipsch-rw-12d-subwoofer-only-299-save-70#post_22235345


The X-Ref 10 is really not a good sub for HT. Music, yes, but it doesn't have the necessary extension to properly convey a blu-ray soundtrack.

A couple of nice sealed subs are the Rumba 12 and SB12-NSD . Both will handle music and movies, so you aren't giving up anything with either of them.
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Originally Posted by Archaea  /t/1420999/klipsch-rw-12d-subwoofer-only-299-save-70#post_22235421


The klipsch sub at $300 represents the best sub value I know of. If you are getting port noise you are taking the unit to its limits in your room, Either your room is large or you are listening to higher volumes than this ported Klipsch is designed to deliver. However, as Jim said - don't second guess your decision with another budget sub. You cannot expect a sealed 10" sub to come close in output to the ported 12".

Read the Sound and Vision 2007 subwoofer shootout and understand that the klipsch compared reasonably well (midpack) with four other popular $700 internet subs.
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/shootout-five-mid-price-subwoofers

If you are taking the klipsch to the port chuffing limits with much more output desired you are going to need to buy a pair of quality 15s or maybe even 18s to be happy. If you are just barely encountering their limits a second unit may be just what the doctor ordered. I know of no better value at the price point --- but there surely are better subs! The oulaw lfm-ex1 that was measured in the sound and vision review scored a bit better than the klipsch but it is also $650 at cheapest on sale - as is the new HSU offering. The new SVS offering is a bit more. Once you get to the $800 to $1000 sub range there are subs that will really outpreform the Klispch, but at the $500 and less pricepoint your going to have to find a pretty good unique sale to find a significantly better sub.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1390563/klipsch-rw-12d-omnimic-frequency-response-graphs/0_20

I agree with these guys. I used to own the RW12 as well and it's an awesome sub for anywhere near the $$$ - especially if you're only considering new.
 

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Originally Posted by Archaea  /t/1420999/klipsch-rw-12d-subwoofer-only-299-save-70#post_22235421


The klipsch sub at $300 represents the best sub value I know of. If you are getting port noise you are taking the unit to its limits in your room, Either your room is large or you are listening to higher volumes than this ported Klipsch is designed to deliver. However, as Jim said - don't second guess your decision with another budget sub. You cannot expect a sealed 10" sub to come close in output to the ported 12".

Read the Sound and Vision 2007 subwoofer shootout and understand that the klipsch compared reasonably well (midpack) with four other popular $700 internet subs.
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/shootout-five-mid-price-subwoofers

If you are taking the klipsch to the port chuffing limits with much more output desired you are going to need to buy a pair of quality 15s or maybe even 18s to be happy. If you are just barely encountering their limits a second unit may be just what the doctor ordered. I know of no better value at the price point --- but there surely are better subs! The oulaw lfm-ex1 that was measured in the sound and vision review scored a bit better than the klipsch but it is also $650 at cheapest on sale - as is the new HSU offering. The new SVS offering is a bit more. Once you get to the $800 to $1000 sub range there are subs that will really outpreform the Klispch, but at the $500 and less pricepoint your going to have to find a pretty good unique sale to find a significantly better sub.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1390563/klipsch-rw-12d-omnimic-frequency-response-graphs/0_20
Absolutely spot on analysis! Agree 100% that at $300 shipped to your door it is impossible to beat. A lot of people keep forgetting that their ROOM is a HUGE HUGE HUGE factor into how well a sub will perform!
 

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I have 2 of these in my dedicated theater and I am absolutely amazed and happy with them - especially at this price point. Think you can get two of these for the price of one that rates slightly better. At this price - a better comparison would be the 2 Klipsh vs. one of the other subs



One note - I removed the oval Klipsh logo from the front (just glued on) because they can cause a rattling noise.
 

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Hey Jim,


Since you have a Jamo Sub 650 (also $300) on order --- any chance of you picking up one of these RW-12Ds to compare to each other in a faceoff. I think there could be a lot of interest in a faceoff of these two models.


Or if you wouldn't mind shipping me your Jamo Sub 650 after you are finished - - I'll pay return shipping to you and I'll borrow my brother's RW-12D again to compare them directly with some measurements.


No pressure --- of course...it's just an idea.
 

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Originally Posted by Archaea  /t/1420999/klipsch-rw-12d-subwoofer-only-299-save-70#post_22276136


Since you have a Jamo Sub 650 (also $300) on order --- any chance of you picking up one of these RW-12Ds to compare to each other in a faceoff. I think there could be a lot of interest in a faceoff of these two models.

Or if you wouldn't mind shipping me your Jamo Sub 650 after you are finished - - I'll pay return shipping to you and I'll borrow my brother's RW-12D again to compare them directly with some measurements.

No pressure --- of course...it's just an idea.

No pressure, except on my wallet.



My MO for the reviews has always been to select somewhat obscure brands, or those that are known but haven't gotten much exposure. The RW-12d really doesn't qualify as either, which is primarily why I've stayed away from it. That, plus the fact I'm now at the point where I no longer have to buy the review units -- the manufacturers send them to me free of charge -- but even with that I somehow doubt Klipsch would send me a sub to review (I never actually broached the topic with them though). I made an exception for the Sub 650 only because at $300 it did seem like quite a deal (Jamo never responded to my request for a review unit).


That being said... from what I can tell the Sub 650 might be a discontinued model. Places like Amazon and BH Photo list it as out of stock or discontinued, and unlike the RW-12d (and the S10.3) this one seems to be unavailable. Well, except for Vanns anyway. Do you know if it's end of life?
 

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Didn't want to start a new thread, but newegg has the Klipsch RW-12d on sale today through the 12th for 299 again! Just thought I would let yall know since the last time I was looking into this sub, it was 339 on newegg!
 

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Adding to this thread is fine. With as often as the RW12-d goes on sale it would probably be silly to create a new thread each time.
 

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hows this compare to the BIC subs like f-100, pl-200?

For HT I would probably go with the Klipsch - it seems to be well liked by those who've purchased one, and the spec's are quite good for the price. There's also the DSP, which can be a nice feature to have.
 

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I'm in. Yesterday it was $299 (as it has been all month). Last night it went up to $349 and I got all bent out of shape. Today it's back to $299 (supposedly for "two days only"). We'll see how much more it drops after mine's delivered.
 
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