Nice analysis.
The C1 doesnt use an evo panel
The C1 doesnt use an evo panel
I believe it does in the USNice analysis.
The C1 doesnt use an evo panel
G1 only has panels with 3S4C / WBE / Evo-capable WOLED stack.Nice analysis.
The C1 doesnt use an evo panel
hdtvtest said you could modify the c1 to use g1 firmware. if your c1 uses an evo panel, is that change safe and accurate? how do you check what panel it uses?G1 only has panels with 3S4C / WBE / Evo-capable WOLED stack.
C1 has a mixture of 3S3C / WBC / non-Evo panels and 3S4C / WBE / Evo-capable panels (but the Evo capability of those Evo panels is not unlocked / utilized with C1 firmware…).
Definitely, A90J not only has the newest panel but also heatsink for additional cooling.So the new Sony A90J should perform better in regards to burn in (mitigation) then the OLEDs from the Rtings test, correct?
My 77C1 does, as most (all, probably) of the 77".Nice analysis.
The C1 doesnt use an evo panel
Your picture is from a C1 without an evo panelThe last burn-in test Rtings performed was in 2017 and LG has made major strides in bottom-emission pixel aspect ratio (PAR) since then.
I took the subpixel images Rtings provided of 55C7 and 55C1 and overlayed the 55C1 subpixels on top of the 55C7 subpixels at equal pixel size (yellow rectangle) to show how much LGD has increased the red subpixel size since 2017:
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The small light blue rectangle was layed-out to be ~1/4 of the 55C7 red subpixel size and when overlayed on the 55C1 red subpixel, it's pretty clear that the 55C1 has a red subpixel which is at least ~175% the size of the 55C7 red subpixel (~7 rectangles versus ~4).
For equal lumens of red output, 175% the area translates to current density which is only 57% that of the red subpixel in the C7.
OLED aging rate is proportional to current density to the power of 1.55, or conversely, OLED lifetime or time-to-burn-in in inversely proportional to the same factor.
So 55C1 red lifetime should be roughly equivalent to 55C7 red lifetime / 0.57^1.55 = 1/ 0.42 = 2.38 at equal output levels.
The 2017 Rtings burn-in test showed first signs of burn-in from CNN after 20 weeks or ~3000 hours of CNN at max output levels of 380 cd/m2 (OLED Light 100) or after 28 weeks or ~4000 hours of CNN at 200 cd/m2.
So without accounting for any of the other burn-in protections that LG has added and improved since 2017 (such as static logo dimming), the intrinsic burn-in immunity of the 2021 Evo panel from an extended torture test like continuous CNN watching should now be extended to at least 6500 hours @ 380 cd/m2 or 9500 hours at 200 cd/m2...
The subpixel comparison also indicates other changes since 2017 such as a white subpixel which appears at least 50% larger on the 55C1 versus the 55C7 and that should ultimately translate to higher peak white output levels, but the primary aspect I wanted to focus on in this thread is the improved burn-in immunity (and especially the improved red burn-in immunity) from the 2021 subpixel layout...
For sure the A90J contains the new 3S4C WOLED panel which should offer better intrinsic immunity to burn-in than the older 3S3C panel.So the new Sony A90J should perform better in regards to burn in (mitigation) then the OLEDs from the Rtings test, correct?
I already addressed that point in post #4.Your picture is from a C1 without an evo panel
I look at the rtings photo of C9, CX, GX, C1 and A90J subpixels and they are all the same. Also, they C1 and A90J reviews in Rtings don't show increased color gamut, so it's not a C1 model with an evo panel. The G1 picture shows different subpixelsI already addressed that point in post #4.
In addition, the subpixel design of both 3S4C / WBE / Evo-capable WOLED panels and 3S3C / WBC / non-Evo WOLED panels is identical this year, and since the primary point being made by this analysis and the picture I posted is the ~75% increase in red subpixel size, the improvement against bun-in since 2017 driven by the larger red subpixel actually applies to both WOLED stacks...
LGD started planning the transition to the new 3S4C / WBE WOLED stack before 2019 and the 2019 subpixel design was designed to support both 3S3C / WBC and 3S4C / WBE stacks (compatibility mode).I look at the rtings photo of C9, CX, GX, C1 and A90J subpixels and they are all the same.
The new WBE stack has actually had very little impact on color gamut (despite LGD’s claims). The only way to know for certain which panel type is in a C1-Series WOLED is to characterize the spectral power distribution (SPD) of the panel. HDTVTEST does a good job describing that if you are interested so I will. It repeat it here. You can check the C1/G1 Owner’s Thread to find many examples of C1 owners who have measured their SPDs to confirm that they have the new 3S4C / WBE / Evo-capable panels in their C1s (even if those G1-like Evo-capable panels have been locked to C1-mode / non-Evo capability.Also, they C1 and A90J reviews in Rtings don't show increased color gamut, so it's not a C1 model with an evo panel.
Look more closely: C1 was a review of a 55C1 while G1 was a review of a 65G1.The G1 picture shows different subpixels
And you could do momma’s Sunday morning fried eggs on it…Definitely, A90J not only has the newest panel but also heatsink for additional cooling.
Still, you didn't even need static content to create an environment to cause burn in on the 2016 en 2017 series. Many people started reporting green blobs on the skin tones of people on their TV.I hate how OLED looks in general, sorry, but the burn in problem was always severely overrated to me:
"Lets buy a xxxx euro TV and watch CNN 24/7 at full brightness! Gee I hope I don't get burn-in in a few months!!"
In any way it's great that they are mitigating the burn in 'risk'!
Correct, any non-random correlated content (such as faces tending to be centered on the screen) will accelerate burn-in.Still, you didn't even need static content to create an environment to cause burn in on the 2016 en 2017 series. Many people started reporting green blobs on the skin tones of people on their TV.
Since red is always used to create skin color, it was permanently active. People's faces are usually centered in the middle of the screen.
Combine this with the weakness of the red subpixel and uneven aging and you had a recipe for disaster.
Since red aged so much faster than green, it created the issue where green was overpowering red in terms of brightness, causing green blobs on skin tones.
Since LG almost doubled the size of the red subpixel, it is unlikely for it to age a lot faster than green or blue without static content.
I still believe it is only a matter of time before eneven aging starts to appear on the red subpixel, even on the newest panels.
Skin tones are just very common at the center of the screen.
Although it will probably take a few ten thousand hours to appear due to the amount of headroom of compensation cycles.
Over 13K+ hours on my LG B6. About 1/3 of time spent on video games. Over 3K hours on HDR gaming. Screen is still even and no signs of burn in. I had an ISF calibration a few months after buying the TV.Still, you didn't even need static content to create an environment to cause burn in on the 2016 en 2017 series. Many people started reporting green blobs on the skin tones of people on their TV.
Since red is always used to create skin color, it was permanently active. People's faces are usually centered in the middle of the screen.
Combine this with the weakness of the red subpixel and uneven aging and you had a recipe for disaster.
Since red aged so much faster than green, it created the issue where green was overpowering red in terms of brightness, causing green blobs on skin tones.