[FoxyMulder]

Just a quick brief question.


I need a new player for the UK only as my American Playstation 3 will not play some rental discs notably from Fox and Optimum.


Reports suggested the Panasonic offering gave slightly better image quality compared to a Playstation 3. Thats why it interested me.


So the question is other than a Playstation what players do not have a noticeable layer change.


Does the new Sony models have a layer change or the Panasonic BD-80 or even the old Panasonic BD-35 or 55.


After countless checking of these threads there are some players i just would never buy and these include the Pioneer, LG and Samsung players and it's looking like i may have to buy another Playstation if i want to avoid layer changes.


Does anyone have some knowledge in this department ?


Incidentally i have been a member now for going on six years. How do you award stars next to a thread ?


Six years a member and i still don't know how people do that.

 

[xraffle]

Are you talking about layer changes on DVD or BD?

 

[FoxyMulder]



Quote:
Originally Posted by xraffle /forum/post/16863684


Are you talking about layer changes on DVD or BD?

Layer changes on BD.


I read in the Panasonic thread that the BD-60 had a slight layer change pause. ( Wrong information by me - There is no layer change )


I'm looking for a player which has some sort of buffer built in so there is no noticeable layer change.

 

[xraffle]



Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxyMulder /forum/post/16863986


Layer changes on BD.


I read in the Panasonic thread that the BD-60 had a slight layer change pause.


I'm looking for a player which has some sort of buffer built in so there is no noticeable layer change.

Interesting. I didn't know BDs had that slight pause because on my Samsung BD-P1600, there's no layer change pause. However, it does have a long 4 second pause on DVDs though.

 

[shinksma]

In all the threads I've read here at AVS about players, it is the DVD layer change on BD players that causes grief - I was not aware that the BD layer caused any pauses at the layer change in any current or recent model - or any model IIRC.


I just quickly searched the Panny BD60 thread, and while I can find mentions of the DVD layer change pauses, and the non-repeatable freezes that occur on BD (and DVD?) that look like layer changes but aren't, I can find no specific mention of BD layer change pauses.


AFAIK,


shinksma

 

[shinksma]

On your other topic of rating threads:


I can rate this thread right now while viewing the thread by selecting the "Rate Thread" drop-down menu next to Search Thread at the upper right. I think the function doesn't appear until x number of posts, and I suspect the OP cannot vote, but I don't know for sure.


EDIT: after looking at a thread with zero replies, I can still rate the thread. And for threads that are already rated with a "member Rating" beside "Search This Thread", if you click the Member Rating you still get the drop down menu to vote.


Still not sure about the OP voting thing, since I don't have any self-originated threads to check.


shinksma

 

[Foxbat121]



Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxyMulder /forum/post/16863986


Layer changes on BD.


I read in the Panasonic thread that the BD-60 had a slight layer change pause.


I'm looking for a player which has some sort of buffer built in so there is no noticeable layer change.

You read it wrong. It is a brief pause or freeze randomly on Panny 60/80 which a lot of owners describe it as like DVD layer change but it is not a layer change issue for sure. And an apparant bug of the player. It affects both 60 and 80.

 

[FoxyMulder]

I guess i misread then and they must have been talking about DVD layer changes.


It wasn't the random freezing thing though. I'm well aware of that particular issue.


I now know how to rate threads. I can't see the option though in the Blu Ray software forum. I can see it here though.

 

[xraffle]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxbat121 /forum/post/16867764


On the other hand, Panasonic just released a new firmware this morning. Hopefully this one will fix the freezing issue because Panasonic already admitted they knew the issue shortly after last firmware release.

I think only a few people are experience a freezing issue on the Panasonic BD-60. Could be a bad batch because if you look at the Amazon reviews, only ONE person complains about that. The rest are all satisified.


And I don't think BDs have the layer change pause. I thought I read somewhere that BD players have buffers, at least the newer models do.

 

[Foxbat121]



Quote:
Originally Posted by xraffle /forum/post/16868081


And I don't think BDs have the layer change pause. I thought I read somewhere that BD players have buffers, at least the newer models do.

I think it is a confusing topic. I've yet to notice any BD layer change pause on two of my BD players mostly because most BDs are confined to single layer.


However, I was told SD DVD layer changes on BD players are worse than regular DVD players because of the way BD driver laser header is designed. I'm not sure I buy that theory but I don't watch SD DVDs anymore. So I have no way to verify myself.

 

[Saturn94]



Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxyMulder /forum/post/16863417


Just a quick brief question.


I need a new player for the UK only as my American Playstation 3 will not play some rental discs notably from Fox and Optimum.


I really wanted the Panasonic BD-60 but i have been reading about the fact it has a one second pause for the layer change. Obviously i am used to the Playstation 3 with no layer change.


Reports suggested the Panasonic offering gave slightly better image quality compared to a Playstation 3. Thats why it interested me.


So the question is other than a Playstation what players do not have a noticeable layer change.


Does the new Sony models have a layer change or the Panasonic BD-80 or even the old Panasonic BD-35 or 55.


After countless checking of these threads there are some players i just would never buy and these include the Pioneer, LG and Samsung players and it's looking like i may have to buy another Playstation if i want to avoid layer changes.


Does anyone have some knowledge in this department ?


Incidentally i have been a member now for going on six years. How do you award stars next to a thread ?


Six years a member and i still don't know how people do that.

If you are refering to layer changes on BD, I've never seen a noticable BD layer change on my Pioneer 51 (bought in Aug 08). DVD however, can have a very long layer change (2-3 seconds on some titles).

 

[dtrell]

there is no such thing as a seeable layer change on a blu-ray. players are REQUIRED by the bluray specs to have a buffer so there is no noticable layer change. also, you are incorrect that BDs are confined to one layer. Most BD movies ae on dual layer discs and the main program is usually a few GB more than 25GB which is the max capacity of a single layer on a BD, so almost EVERY new movie has a layer change when watching a bluray...you just cant see it. as far as DVDs there is no buffer requirement, so it is totally up to the mfr as to how they handle layer changes on DVDs.

 

[xraffle]



Quote:
Originally Posted by dtrell /forum/post/16868790


there is no such thing as a seeable layer change on a blu-ray. players are REQUIRED by the bluray specs to have a buffer so there is no noticable layer change. also, you are incorrect that BDs are confined to one layer. Most BD movies ae on dual layer discs and the main program is usually a few GB more than 25GB which is the max capacity of a single layer on a BD, so almost EVERY new movie has a layer change when watching a bluray...you just cant see it. as far as DVDs there is no buffer requirement, so it is totally up to the mfr as to how they handle layer changes on DVDs.

Blu-ray.com gives info on whether or not a BD title is dual-layer or not. It will say 25 or 50GB.


And I'm surprised buffers didn't make its way to the DVD specs. It should have.


And forgive me if this is an ignorant question, but if Blu-ray players have buffers for BDs, why doesn't it use it for DVDs? DVD layer change on Blu-ray players is noticeablly longer than a regular DVD player.

 

[Foxbat121]

Maybe I should clarify myself. When I said BDs are mostly single layer, I meant the ones I watched often, you know most of WB stuff

 

[DrDon]

Bickering removed. I'm too busy to issue infractions or individual warnings. So this'll be it.

 

[dtrell]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxbat121 /forum/post/16869131


Maybe I should clarify myself. When I said BDs are mostly single layer, I meant the ones I watched often, you know most of WB stuff

can you give me an example of some you have watched? Newer WB ones are double layer as well, such as Dark Knight.

 

[Foxbat121]

Why bother? Are you saying there is no single layer BDs?

 

[xraffle]

I have one- "Final Destination."