[ConceptVBS]

 http://www.vnunet.com/Analysis/1140036


Take that Plasma fans.

 

[xrox]

Great article,


I've heard and read several reports all with the same tone. I hope the prices drop as fast as predicted (or faster).


I wonder how plasma can overcome the following issues?


- Lifetime

- Power Consumption


When you have 3 million fluorescent light bulbs firing 60 times a second, all day long, you tend to use a tad bit of hydro.......


As for new LCDs, it amazes me how a passive display can look as good as it does (and it will get better and cheaper).

 

[Bill Gehring]

They're talking about a pretty narrowly defined market here "the public display market".


Most consumers don't run their plasmas 24/7/365.

 

[Ken Ross]

The article was a bit biased and inaccurate. It states the 1/2 life of plasmas as 10,000 hours. Untrue. In general the 1/2 life is more like 20,000-30,000 depending upon manufacturer and user settings. The article also points out that "plasma technology has its drawbacks". True, but so do LCDs, although you'd never know it from reading this article. Their blacks are still subpar and motion handling is still not up to the level of plasmas.


Yes, LCDs are improving, and are probably the display of choice for STATIC images such as signs (as the article does suggest). I tend to watch video images with motion.

 

[xrox]

Ken,


Very true! Until LCD PQ (in all aspects) equals that of plasma, the average HT consumer will gladly swallow the fundamental drawbacks of plasma. I'd have to say that Price and PQ are top priority when choosing a HT display.


But if current LCD prototypes live up to thier hype as far as PQ goes, and prices drop as predicted, those low priority plasma drawbacks will eventually rise up to the forefront for even the home consumer.


How they will increase the photon generation efficiency in an ionization based system is beyond me.


Electroluminescent (EL) based displays of the future will have the same emmisive benefits of plasma without the huge power requirements. But as I've said above, to sell to the HT consumer you will first have to match PQ with current technology.


Oh, and I'm no expert on this but 'I think' lifetime of LCD depends on the backlight and Plasma depends on the cell integrity. I think it would be much easier to replace the backlight on an LCD than to fix dying cells.

 

[markrubin]

Quote:

Originally posted by Ken Ross The article was a bit biased and inaccurate. It states the 1/2 life of plasmas as 10,000 hours. Untrue. In general the 1/2 life is more like 20,000-30,000 depending upon manufacturer and user settings. The article also points out that "plasma technology has its drawbacks". True, but so do LCDs, although you'd never know it from reading this article. Their blacks are still subpar and motion handling is still not up to the level of plasmas. Yes, LCDs are improving, and are probably the display of choice for STATIC images such as signs (as the article does suggest). I tend to watch video images with motion.

Ken is right-


I just got the Sharp LC-37HV4U and it is sitting just below my Fujitsu P50 temporarily-


unfair comparison? yes- but the differences are telling-


the black levels/ color saturation/motion handling of the plasma are MUCH better on the plasma- the LCD, while good, just does not compare


Mark

 

[rogo]

That was much more of a press release than an article in my mind.


And, the inaccuracies are noted.


And, I have to say I don't really much think about who will win in the public display market.


And, the Pioneer 50" plasma is already

 

[mark_1080p]

LCD's are the dark horse looming on the horizon. They just might begin to surprise the market. One item much understated in all the discussions at AVS is power usage. Should not we all begin to give a damn about our environment. Yes, we can have fun but do we need to own real SUV's to go to the Safeway or do we need a PPP display (Power Pig Plasma)?


At least it should be discussed, if the manufacturers think we do not care will they try to do anything about it??


Mark

 

[oferlaor]

dr_mark2001,


I don't know about that. The 50" models (e.g. Samsung) at CES were outright unimpressive.


Ken,


Every few weeks we get an 50" OLED killing plasmas next week or Next generation of LCDs will kill Plasma. So far, I remain skeptical.

 

[ConceptVBS]

Quote:

Originally posted by rogo That was much more of a press release than an article in my mind.

I've never seen a press release that mentions many different competitors in one "article".

 

[Ken Ross]

Quote:

Originally posted by oferlaor Every few weeks we get an 50" OLED killing plasmas next week or Next generation of LCDs will kill Plasma. So far, I remain skeptical.

Yup. I can remember one guy who insisted that we'd have wall covering OLEDs within 3 years. Gimme a break!

 

[rogo]

VBS: Press release in the sense that it cheerleads for the technology. I mean the URL has "Analysis" in it, but there is no analysis, just a lot of rah, rah. I know nothing about the publication that ran the article, though. That said, there are many press releases that have a bunch of competitors listed, e.g. an Intel release about Centrino, a TI release about DLP, etc.


Dr: This power issue is something of a canard. A Samsung 40" LCD uses 220 watts; a Pioneer 43" plasma uses 298 watts. Yes, that is a difference and more work should be done, but Given that the Pioneer has a lot more square inches of display, the difference is pretty small.

 

[nutt]

"I tend to watch video images with motion."


There are video images with MOTION!!! Where do I sign up? I bet that is a lot better than my camera.


Tim