[lyndonlim]

Guys,


I know it is a tall claim but against the amp I auditioned, the Leema murdered them in musicality, outright bass control and slam, detail, breadth and depth of soundstage.


Please audition it before you consider any one of the amps I have listened to below:


Audio Analogue Maestro: bright, no image, hollow but powerful.


Creek Evo 2: Quite good for price point.


Creek Destiny: sloppy bass, no imaging...no real good points except that it was heavy and had a nice facia.


Roksan Kandy 2: I thought What HiFi was playing a joke on the hifi community by rating it 5 stars. It looks like Roksan in quite a generous advertiser to the magazine. Like the Creek Destiny, it has no strong points besides its physical weight. It should win a prize for ugliness of design.


Krell 300i: Nice fast well controlled bass but not very musical at all.


Sudgen Integrated: very musical but lacks slam. Good in every other way.


Naim: forward but fast...lacks depth of soundstage.


I was running these amps through my Epos M16i which replace my Epos ES12. I know that some will say that it depends on your system. And yes I only believe that to some extent but each component should be able to stand on its own.


The Pulse Leema will blow you away in EVERY way...regardless of the type of music you listen to. There is slam, there is warmth, there is detail in abundance. Please audition it before disputing my claim.


It is pretty scary what the bigger brother Pulse Tucana would sound like.

 

[Chu Gai]

No US dealers that I can see. Be a ***** servicing it.

 

[Garman]



Quote:
Originally Posted by lyndonlim /forum/post/16873743


Guys,


I know it is a tall claim but against the amp I auditioned, the Leema murdered them in musicality, outright bass control and slam, detail, breadth and depth of soundstage.


Please audition it before you consider any one of the amps I have listened to below:


Audio Analogue Maestro: bright, no image, hollow but powerful.


Creek Evo 2: Quite good for price point.


Creek Destiny: sloppy bass, no imaging...no real good points except that it was heavy and had a nice facia.


Roksan Kandy 2: I thought What HiFi was playing a joke on the hifi community by rating it 5 stars. It looks like Roksan in quite a generous advertiser to the magazine. Like the Creek Destiny, it has no strong points besides its physical weight. It should win a prize for ugliness of design.


Krell 300i: Nice fast well controlled bass but not very musical at all.


Sudgen Integrated: very musical but lacks slam. Good in every other way.


Naim: forward but fast...lacks depth of soundstage.


I was running these amps through my Epos M16i which replace my Epos ES12. I know that some will say that it depends on your system. And yes I only believe that to some extent but each component should be able to stand on its own.


The Pulse Leema will blow you away in EVERY way...regardless of the type of music you listen to. There is slam, there is warmth, there is detail in abundance. Please audition it before disputing my claim.


It is pretty scary what the bigger brother Pulse Tucana would sound like.

Your claim sounds like some what of a advertisement as well...

Just like anything in audio, it is always subjective. It looks like they got a great product and I have heard some of there gear in the past but your claims on the other gear is obviously not to your tastes as I am sure many would disagree. The good thing is the guys at Leema know what there doing and have been working on speaker design since 1998, there monitors are excellent, hopefully there Int. Amps will be the same.


All good products, how about Plinius, and some MF gear as well. Any idea of a US dealer?

 

[lyndonlim]

Hi Guys,


Fair point on all accounts. I really do not believe it is a matter of taste. People say that to reduce post purchase dissonance. All I am saying is that you need to give this amplifier an audition before pulling the trigger. I did not hear the Plinius but the guys at Carlton HiFi in Melbourne had a more expensive Plinius next to the Leema Pulse and they said that it would not be worth my time listening to it.


I am also not across Leema's speakers or CD players so I cannot comment. They may be crap or good. But I would put my money on their entire amp range.


The reason I say that it is not the matter of taste is because the Leema is so well rounded, almost a master of all. Whereas the other amps I had auditioned were jack of no trades, in that they really did not do even one thing right. All you need to do to verify some of my claims is to listen to some of the amps which I had listed especially the Creek Destiny and Roksan Kandy K2..those were really bad suckers which were highly touted by What HiFi and even Stereophile...scary stuff.


Amps are a type of beast which do not need any servicing so I would not hesitate ordering from the UK. If you read my other post you will realise that I am not an advertiser for any brand but I will shout out if I experience something great even if I don't own it like the JVC 350HD Dila.


If you are looking for an amp in that price bracket I would serious consider the Leema because the realism, musical involvement and slam will truly draw you into the music. I really wished I could afford the Leema Tucana. Not heard it but I can only imagine.


Other amps I heard against the Leema include:


Most of the Arcam stuff, Rega Elicit ( I think that is the name), NVH and a tube amp (which was better in vocals but beaten everywhere else).


My theory is that a lot of big brands are now sourcing a lot of their components from China and spending their R&D dollars on the fascia rather than quality components..that is my only explanation for the crap out there amongst the big name brands. Nothing against China as I am a Chinese Australian.

 

[lyndonlim]

By the way, I forgot to mention that my system consist of Epos M16i which isn't the easiest of speakers to drive and an Arcam Alpha 8 CD player. I moved up from an Onix 60W amplifier and Epos ES12 speakers. Audioquest Midnight plus speaker cables.

 

[Garman]



Quote:
Originally Posted by lyndonlim /forum/post/16878005


Hi Guys,


Fair point on all accounts. I really do not believe it is a matter of taste. People say that to reduce post purchase dissonance. All I am saying is that you need to give this amplifier an audition before pulling the trigger. I did not hear the Plinius but the guys at Carlton HiFi in Melbourne had a more expensive Plinius next to the Leema Pulse and they said that it would not be worth my time listening to it.


I am also not across Leema's speakers or CD players so I cannot comment. They may be crap or good. But I would put my money on their entire amp range.


The reason I say that it is not the matter of taste is because the Leema is so well rounded, almost a master of all. Whereas the other amps I had auditioned were jack of no trades, in that they really did not do even one thing right. All you need to do to verify some of my claims is to listen to some of the amps which I had listed especially the Creek Destiny and Roksan Kandy K2..those were really bad suckers which were highly touted by What HiFi and even Stereophile...scary stuff.


Amps are a type of beast which do not need any servicing so I would not hesitate ordering from the UK. If you read my other post you will realise that I am not an advertiser for any brand but I will shout out if I experience something great even if I don't own it like the JVC 350HD Dila.


If you are looking for an amp in that price bracket I would serious consider the Leema because the realism, musical involvement and slam will truly draw you into the music. I really wished I could afford the Leema Tucana. Not heard it but I can only imagine.


Other amps I heard against the Leema include:


Most of the Arcam stuff, Rega Elicit ( I think that is the name), NVH and a tube amp (which was better in vocals but beaten everywhere else).


My theory is that a lot of big brands are now sourcing a lot of their components from China and spending their R&D dollars on the fascia rather than quality components..that is my only explanation for the crap out there amongst the big name brands. Nothing against China as I am a Chinese Australian.

So your saying all the Leema parts are made in England?

wishful thinking as MF use to have all there manufacturing in England till they outsourced most of it to Twain, but at least it isn't OEMed like Vincent gear, where you can pick up the same Int. Amp everyone is raving about for a third the cost. ShengYa makes all of Vincent gear right now. If you know if any Leema dealers in US, post away as I do like the looks of it, and hopefully one can find it at a decent price. Thanks.... Here you go: http://www.leema-acoustics.com/

 

[Poochymama]

If you really can hear all these nuances in the amplifiers like you claim you can, you should take Richard Clarks amplifier challenge and win $10,000.


You can bring in a Leema Pulse and compare it against say a Yamaha - 6130. All you have to do is be able to tell the two apart at normal listening levels and you win $10,000.


However, be forewarned, thousands of people have tried, but so far no one has been able to tell any two amps apart.

 

[Garman]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Poochymama /forum/post/16889427


If you really can hear all these nuances in the amplifiers like you claim you can, you should take Richard Clarks amplifier challenge and win $10,000.


You can bring in a Leema Pulse and compare it against say a Yamaha - 6130. All you have to do is be able to tell the two apart at normal listening levels and you win $10,000.


However, be forewarned, thousands of people have tried, but so far no one has been able to tell any two amps apart.

http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests...ll/rcrules.htm


Well lets not for get his long list of "His" rules in order to meet that requirement.

Why bother, we could feasibly do this with every product. LOL

 

[twitch54]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Poochymama /forum/post/16889427


but so far no one has been able to tell any two amps apart.

Why Mr Hirsch I thought you were dead, low and behold your 'hoochymama' !

 

[tvrgeek]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Poochymama /forum/post/16889427


If you really can hear all these nuances in the amplifiers like you claim you can, you should take Richard Clarks amplifier challenge and win $10,000.


You can bring in a Leema Pulse and compare it against say a Yamaha - 6130. All you have to do is be able to tell the two apart at normal listening levels and you win $10,000.


However, be forewarned, thousands of people have tried, but so far no one has been able to tell any two amps apart.

I would rephrase that as no half-decent amp. I suspect the Yamahammer you mention would qualify as at least a half decent amp. Almost anyone can pick out an older tube, like a CJ, but not a modern circuit like a Manley.


When I bought my B&K a few wears back, I was amazed at how many "esoteric" amps sounded like garbage.


"Different" does not mean better. I can't tell my B&K, from my Hafler, NAD, Rotel, or a Krell a friend brought over. I will be polite and not mention the dozen or so amps that I could hear a difference in. One cost more than a car. What really bothers some is the $9 e-bay chip amp I use for my computer is almost in the running at low levels.

 

[Poochymama]



Quote:
Originally Posted by twitch54 /forum/post/16891230


Why Mr Hirsch I thought you were dead, low and behold your 'hoochymama' !

I don't even know why this made me laugh so hard, but it did.

 

[Poochymama]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Garman /forum/post/16891112

http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests...ll/rcrules.htm


Well lets not for get his long list of "His" rules in order to meet that requirement.

Why bother, we could feasibly do this with every product. LOL

Although his rules are long, they're really not that stringent. over 90% of all amps costing more than $100 would qualify. And so far, of the amps that have qualified, none have shown any difference from each other.

 

[Garman]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Poochymama /forum/post/16891778


Although his rules are long, they're really not that stringent. over 90% of all amps costing more than $100 would qualify. And so far, of the amps that have qualified, none have shown any difference from each other.

And your point being? When it comes to buying an Amp, one should buy one that is first reliable/dependable and sounds good and looks good. If some one wants to spend megabucks on them go right ahead. I know what sounds good in my system, I guess perception plays a part as well. I know I can find a good Amp under 2K that runs my speakers well, it is dependable and to "My" ears it sounds good. I just tried a couple of the new ICE technology Amps and for some reason to me, they didn't sound all that great, which is fine by me because they were a lot more expensive.

Hence I always stick most of my money into my speakers in any audio setup I have.


I also just put a Tube Dac into the mix of my system and if I cover my CD player and switch inputs between the CD/Aux inputs I can pick out 9 times out of 10 which one is which. This is a far cry from a Amp rules, but I can tell

a difference. Now when it comes to Amps, that is a whole different story, maybe you should try your luck in the Mega high end threads and see what happens, as I am sure those debates could be interesting.

 

[Poochymama]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Garman /forum/post/16892031


And your point being? When it comes to buying an Amp, one should buy one that is first reliable/dependable and sounds good and looks good. If some one wants to spend megabucks on them go right ahead. I know what sounds good in my system, I guess perception plays a part as well. I know I can find a good Amp under 2K that runs my speakers well, it is dependable and to "My" ears it sounds good. I just tried a couple of the new ICE technology Amps and for some reason to me, they didn't sound all that great, which is fine by me because they were a lot more expensive.

Hence I always stick most of my money into my speakers in any audio setup I have.


I also just put a Tube Dac into the mix of my system and if I cover my CD player and switch inputs between the CD/Aux inputs I can pick out 9 times out of 10 which one is which. This is a far cry from a Amp rules, but I can tell

a difference. Now when it comes to Amps, that is a whole different story, maybe you should try your luck in the Mega high end threads and see what happens, as I am sure those debates could be interesting.

I agree with everything you said in that last post. People should buy what makes them happy, my point isn't to degrade the purchases of others, all I want to do is make sure people don't make uninformed decisions that could cost them unnecessary money.


I don't have a problem with people spending more on amps for more power, aesthetics, features, or build quality/reliability. Those are all legitimate reasons to spend extra money on an amp.


My point in posting was simply to provide an opposing viewpoint for newcomers to consider and decide for themselves who they want to base their beliefs on. If I hadn't posted there would more than likely have been someone with an 80w/ch amp go out and purchase the pulse because of SQ alone, and then be disappointed when they really couldn't hear that much of a difference.


I think it's always healthy to have two sides to the story as it usually gets you closer to the truth.

 

[Garman]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Poochymama /forum/post/16892327


I agree with everything you said in that last post. People should buy what makes them happy, my point isn't to degrade the purchases of others, all I want to do is make sure people don't make uninformed decisions that could cost them unnecessary money.


I don't have a problem with people spending more on amps for more power, aesthetics, features, or build quality/reliability. Those are all legitimate reasons to spend extra money on an amp.


My point in posting was simply to provide an opposing viewpoint for newcomers to consider and decide for themselves who they want to base their beliefs on. If I hadn't posted there would more than likely have been someone with an 80w/ch amp go out and purchase the pulse because of SQ alone, and then be disappointed when they really couldn't hear that much of a difference.


I think it's always healthy to have two sides to the story as it usually gets you closer to the truth.

I totally agree with you and my last post hence the

I was being sarcastic! I am a fan of MF gear, but not at there retail price, I usually buy used/demo and I know I can find a new or used Amp for less than 2K that does a great job and this is usually where I stay. I went down the road of ultra high end Amps, cables CD players etc.. but alway found my self finding great buys on good equipment used or demo close out gear. Currently using some MF Amps with good results, now I am debating whether I need more power.

 

[Poochymama]

You could try measuring spl at the listening position up until clipping starts to set in. That may give you a good idea of whether or not you need more power.

 

[tvrgeek]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Poochymama /forum/post/16891769


I don't even know why this made me laugh so hard, but it did.

Because he never found an amp with a back page full cover add he did not love!

Even when I was a 15 year old dreamer, I knew you can't hear worth a darn when you are old as dirt. The fluid in the inner ear slowly thickens. (a fact that is slowly becoming far too clear)


Maybe we need a new rule for subjective testing. Reviewer needs to be over 35 so they know better, but under 45 so they can still hear.

 

[duvetyne]



Quote:
Amps are a type of beast which do not need any servicing so I would not hesitate ordering from the UK.

Good to know...what makes them immune to breakdown?

 

[Chu Gai]

Why, the same thing that made MG a force to be reckoned with: British engineering

 

[Veda]

LOL, I bet the OP never heard the Onkyo A9755.


Sorry to the OP but a lot of you guys tend to be more discriminative against asian stuff than in the US. That includes the presumption that Chinese non-moving components are inferior to those made elsewhere. As long as they're still within the spec, they shouldn't matter.