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Lenses for vertically stretching 16:9 to 4:3?

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Is there a lens that will stretch a 4:3 DVD (when played back at 16:9) back to its original aspect ratio for projection on a 4:3 screen?


Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I figured this would be the best place to ask. I might also consider having someone make me a DIY solution (not very good at DIY myself).
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No, it's not a stupid question.


Whether you use an expansion or (rare nowadays) a vertical compression lens, all you need to do is rotate the lens 90 degrees to the side and zoom your projector to get the image to fit the screen.

Expansion Lens:

Rotating the lens 90 degrees will stretch the vertical by 1.33x, making the "9" in 16:9 now 12.


16:12 = 4:3... got it?

Note: picture - although in the correct aspect ratio - will be too high, need to zoom projector smaller to fit screen.


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Compression Lens:

Rotating a compression lens 90 degrees sideways will make the "16" in 16:9 "12", leaving you with a ... boom-tish!


12:9 = 4:3 aspect ratio.

Note: no zooming required when using a Vertical Compression lens, as you are only compressing width, therefore height does not change.


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Does it work? Sure does. I do it myself a lot when we're having a B&W Classic Movie Night. The picture is amazingly bright, as you are fitting more light (from the full panel) into a smaller space, instead of the other way around.
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Ah, OK. I was thinking that might work, but I wasn't sure if the ratio would be correct. So I'd just need an anamorphic lens that can be rotated 90 degrees, then.

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So I'd just need an anamorphic lens that can be rotated 90 degrees, then.

Yep.


Another thing that occurred to me is that if you use a standard horizontal expansion lens and are therefore zooming the projecter a bit smaller (to shrink the stretched vertical back to a fixed screen height), this would give you more glass to work with, or rather the same amount of glass with a smaller back-end image impinging upon it.


Rotating a Vertical Compression lens would give you less glass to work with if you were utilising a rectangular rear lens device like any of the prism systems.


There's some fiddling to do it right if you use an expansion lens. That's why I usually leave it until I'm having an old movie might... a special occasion. But yeah, it works really well.
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Curious as to what you plan to do with this information? Usually people are going towards widescreen, not away from it...
I watch a lot of anime so I already have thousands of 4:3 DVDs/LDs, and there are a lot of 4:3 (pillarboxed in a 16:9 frame) anime Blu-rays coming out in Japan as well, not to mention the Star Trek Blu-rays, etc. I have a DVDO VP50Pro so I can already stretch the 4:3 Blu-rays to cover the entire pixel area of my projector.


A 4:3 projector screen actually would fit better into my setup, too.
Got it. Thanks (as I said was just curious).

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Originally Posted by jd213 /forum/post/16831958


I watch a lot of anime so I already have thousands of 4:3 DVDs/LDs, and there are a lot of 4:3 (pillarboxed in a 16:9 frame) anime Blu-rays coming out in Japan as well, not to mention the Star Trek Blu-rays, etc. I have a DVDO VP50Pro so I can already stretch the 4:3 Blu-rays to cover the entire pixel area of my projector.


A 4:3 projector screen actually would fit better into my setup, too.

I love older DVDs of TV shows. They are usually shot in 35mm film so the DVD is much better than the show was when it was broadcast. I rushed out and bought a BD player in 2006 and an HD audio one in 2008. Now I am rediscovering the DVD and all the titles available that may never make it to BD. I use a SDI modded player and a DVDO VP50 for deinterlacing and stretching. Sure BD is sharper but there is such a larger selection on DVD. I never shy away from 1.33:1 material anymore. I just enjoy it for what it is.
Old 4:3 DVDs usually look a lot better than you'd think they'd be when projected.


I've compared my old SD Casablance with the Blu-Ray version... it's hard to tell the difference (and I'm looking pretty hard).
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