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I am considering a trade of my Sunfire Theater Grand for the new Lexicon MC-1 processor. In this area none of the audio places seem to have one in stock to audition. Has anyone out there who has heard the MC-1 care to give their opinion of this processor? I heard the Lexicon DC-2 processor but was not impressed with its musical ability. Would the MC-1 have a similar weakness in musical reproduction as well? Need some expert advise on this matter...Bill G.


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The Lexicons are not as musical as a Theta, Meridian, Krell, Proceed, or esp EAD. I'm not sure how musical it would be compared to a Sunfire - prolly similar, as well as Parasound.


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I dont know about the sunfire, but heres my experience:


I moved from the Lexicon MC-1 to the 861 and I can tell you that the difference on *everything* is night and day. I was absolutely surprised by this as I expected to hear a slight improvement with music and no improvement with movies. With movies, there seems to be more bass everywhere (I didnt use the Lexicon's loudness mode) and it actually makes it hard to distinguish between DD and DTS (the DD is that good b/c its their own tweaked version of it). With music the only way I can describe the difference is that its like going from 8 bit color on your computer to 24 bit color - yes its that big a difference.


Ive never heard the 568 but I hear it is sonically similar to the 861 .


I think Meridians philosophy is: get music to sound its best and then worry about movies. For the home, I agree with them.


The meridian bass management is a little confusing the first time around. IMHO its more flexible and less flexible than the Lexicon's. Let me explain. You can choose different xovers for music or logic or 5.1 sources. but these xovers affect only those speakers designated as small. you can engage the meridian protection circuit for speakers designated as large. you use their calculator to arrive at a protection number (you tell it your woofer size) and then the meridian will roll off the low freqs (as volume goes higher). my problem with this is that as far as I can measure these rolled off low freqs dont go anywhere- they are just forgotten. I would have liked to see them go to the sub. Ive found the best sound with my room (my room is not the best acoustic space) is to xover everything at 76hz and designate all the speakers as small. the rock solids are good to 70hz (so its close for them) and the others you know are good to lower. I find I get the most pleasing sound with this setup- your experience will probably be differernt- but youve got to experiment. The thing I liked about the Lexicon is that you can say, ok, for my rears I want an 80hz xover, for my mains Ill xover at 40hz.


regarding LFE- on the Lexicon LFE goes to any large speaker plus the sub- on the meridian LFE goes only to the sub.


If you designate the sub as mono- it works in the way I described above- any bass for any small speaker below the xover (btw- the xover is digital 4th order). if you designate the sub as center- then it will only do this for the center speaker. If you designate it as LFE then it will only come on for LFE. You can also say for music you dont want a sub.


Some other setup things- the meridian allows you to control the phase of your speakers digitally. so for the sub, my loudest readings are when the phase is inverted- so I leave the setting as regular on the sw12 sub and I use the meridians phase control since its all in the digital domain. I was told to try this with the other speakers and I found that my best reading was with the center inverted. It sounds better this way.


I think for music and movies the meridian processor is hard to beat. I wish I could give you guidance specifically to the 568, but if it retains 90% of the 861's sound (IM told its almost identical as far as sound) then I would highly recommend it, and I highly recommend the 861.


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William,


Having owned Lexicon's for years I can tell you that moving up from a DC-2 to an MC-1 will yield much better performance for both movies and audio.


However, the MC-1 is no match (not even close) for the Meridians. I use both a 561 and an 861, and the cheaper 561 will surpass the performance of the MC-1 by a large margin.

 

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I think the prices for the mc-1 are more around 4500.


I think you can get a 568 for close to this, but youre right its more expensive. However, the thread's title is "Lexicon MC-1 compared to other high end processors" [emphasis added]


To read this literally, we could find a $30k processor and compare it.


I dont know about the 561, but Ive read some things from Mr. Greenberg that make me think that hes not always accurate. Ive seen him on TV recently (he replaced that other guy as the Gadget Guy for NBC) and I found what he said to be of little value.


The theta is also missing thx processing, although it does have its own re-eq.


These are all very good units the final decision will come down to one's priorities. I figured I was a Lexicon guy and I was surprised to discover that the meridians do sound better. I also discovered that things like partucular xovers are nice, but its not the final thing that matters- at least not to me.


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Thanks for the fine advise, gentlemen. From what I gather, the MC-1 is okay as a processor for movies; but, it not recommended for one who also enjoys music occasionally. It seems most of you favor the Meridan. Quite frankly, I am not sure I can even find one in the Auburn, AL area. Perhaps Atlanta would be the closest source. These units would not by chance be available on the internet, would they? If so, what price range would the two Meridan models be? Thanks to everyone for their sharing their expertise with me..Bill G.


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You guys might want to post your observations about the Lexicon to the Lexicon forum.
http://bbs.smr-forums.com:8585/~smr/


I posted a topic called 'Lex vs. Theta vs. Meridian' on 4/15/00.


I will just leave it at that.


BTW, I have a DC-1 v4 and an EAD that I am currently testing on my Aerial home theater. There is no doubt that the EAD is more enjoyable (and more configurable) for 2-channel music, but I'm going to leave the lengthy discussion to another thread.


I also plan to audition Meridian and Theta in the future.


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Gentlemen:


While we're on the topic of comparable pre-amps (I assume a performance vs price here), has anybody have any experience with the Krell Home Reference STD? Krell can be bought for about $5,200, and I've seen slightly used ones on ebay for less. Just how does it compare to Meridian, Theta, EAD with respect to ease of use, audio/visual performance, future upgrades ability??
 

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it has things that other pieces do not have, for example, THX post processing, missing from EAD, tone controls and tilt controls, missing from just about everything else. Ease of use and on-screen display (maybe in the 3rd generation of EAD), Logic 7, THX-EX.

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The EAD has a bright taming feature similar to THX post proc w/o the extra expense of placing the THX logo on the unit. I will admit ease of use is missing, but on-screen displays compromise the audio quality. They have talked of an external OSD box, but have failed to deliver thus far.


I guess EAD takes a more audiophile that ht-phile approach, by not having DD5.1 + 1 non-discrete channel in the rear. Or the same for logic 7. I'll admit there are some more feature oriented processors, but they arent for me. Well, I also don't believe in critical HT listening, only 2 channel.


Im not to familar with the Krell unit, though I hear good things about it. Like its sonics are better than the Proceed. Then again, HTmag says the sonics of the Encore are better than the Proceed.


Whatever floats your boat.


Rob




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