Lexicon or Proceed?

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What is your basis for this pronouncement? A search in this forum will show that owners who switched from the Proceed AVP to the Lexicon MC-12 report the MC-12's 2-channel performance to be superior (or comparable in one case)--not a single report of any sacrifice in quality. It remains to be seen how much of an improvement the upgraded AVP II brings to the Proceed, but that could only be assessed with a properly level-matched comparison with the MC-12 in the same system and room. And since the AVP II hasn't shipped yet, I doubt you have had an opportunity to make such a comparison.


One thing that can be stated as fact, however, is that in the area of surround processing, Lexicon's proprietary Logic 7 is way ahead of Proceed's capabilities. It's always amusing to see people clinging to 2-channel as the "gold standard" of comparison in a surround processor. It's a multichannel world out there, but old habits die hard, I guess.

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If this is meant to suggest that both companies offer comparable customer service because they are Harman subsidiaries, nothing could be further from the truth. Owner satisfaction with Lexicon's exemplary customer service is very high, another fact that can easily be verified here and at the independent Lexicon owner's discussion forum at:
www.smr-forums.com


Proceed dug its own grave all by itself, by overextending its product line into technologies in which it had no expertise, and no ability to deliver on its promises.


Cheers,

Philip Brandes

Forget all of the propaganda and listen to both units yourself. Compare the MC-12 and AVP II in your system and then decide. To be sure the MC-12 bests the original AVP but this is to be expected since the MC-12 is the newer unit and both are quality companies. Lexicon's roots lay in studio reverb and equipment. Proceed's roots are in home audio. Each product has different philosophies and emphasis. You have to decide what your priorities are.


These forums are good to get you started and learn about potential pitfalls, but let your eyes and ears be the decision makers. Unless someone else is going to buy the eauipment for you. :=)


Hasn't Logic n been around for about 10 years or more? Was it first seen in the Fosgate (I think this was the name of the company) processors then Citation and now Lexicon? It is a very robust and excellent surround mode. Whether it is better for ambiance retrieval than other modes is debatable since there are so many different opinions about how much surround is good.

There are some that think the AVP is warmer, but maybe not be as detailed, as the MC-12B. Personally I think they're very close and give the edge to the MC-12B (which I bought when I traded-in my AVP). I have not heard the AVP2 so cannot comment. Used AVP's can be had on Audiogon for 2K and under (since Proceed announced the new AVP2 the price has dropped significantly on used AVP's).


That said if you want surround sound buy the Lex - they have far more experience with surround processing and the difference between the AVP and MC-12 is not subtle in this regard. My side speakers have had more use in the first 6 weeks of MC-12B ownership then they did during the entire 2+ years of owning the AVP.


Personally I have had my fill of Proceed and their problems. Most of my bias stems from being an early owner of their PMDT and not necessarily due to the AVP. Proceed is not a company I would give high marks to in the customer service area - but in all fairness they do honor their warranty with hardware issues (but this is not true when it comes to software issues).


As far as amps: There are several excellent 5 channel amps from which to choose - a search of this forum will provide much info.....

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It may be debatable when listening to music but for movies Logic 7 is outstanding. The only other mode that comes close is Dolbly Pro Logic II - but Logic 7 does so much more and works with any 2 channel or 5.1 channel source. I wasn't a believer in Logic 7 until I bought the MC-12 but I sure am now.