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I have an MC-8 (new) and I love it! It replaced a DC-1 and the improvements are noticeable.
I think Lexicon is the best choice for a Pre/pro for the following reasons:
1) Upgrades - Unlike many other companies that promise upgradibility, they deliver! New software and expansion slots allow for easy upgrades that make these units virtually futureproof. Lexicon has a long track record of not forgetting about the consumers that purchased a product a year ago.
2) Trade-in program - Down the road, you can trade your MC-8/12 in for whatever comes next for a sizeable chunk of the original purchase price - no kidding!
3) Technology - This is where I feel Lexicon shines, as they have the brainpower (i.e. Dr. David Grieseinger (sp?) Ph.D. from Harvard I believe) to make great products. Look at all the really impressive gear out there (sometimes not well advertised like Hsu subs), in almost every case it is good science that makes these products so much better than the rest. Further Lexicon has a sizeable lead in multichannel processing, as they have been doing it longer than other pre/pros. Much like Loewe TVs are better becuase they have the temporal lead in digital TV technology, Lexicon is in the lead IMO.
4) Tweakability and Ease of use - for probably the most tweakable pre/pro around, the Lexicon is very easy to use.
-Bob
I think Lexicon is the best choice for a Pre/pro for the following reasons:
1) Upgrades - Unlike many other companies that promise upgradibility, they deliver! New software and expansion slots allow for easy upgrades that make these units virtually futureproof. Lexicon has a long track record of not forgetting about the consumers that purchased a product a year ago.
2) Trade-in program - Down the road, you can trade your MC-8/12 in for whatever comes next for a sizeable chunk of the original purchase price - no kidding!
3) Technology - This is where I feel Lexicon shines, as they have the brainpower (i.e. Dr. David Grieseinger (sp?) Ph.D. from Harvard I believe) to make great products. Look at all the really impressive gear out there (sometimes not well advertised like Hsu subs), in almost every case it is good science that makes these products so much better than the rest. Further Lexicon has a sizeable lead in multichannel processing, as they have been doing it longer than other pre/pros. Much like Loewe TVs are better becuase they have the temporal lead in digital TV technology, Lexicon is in the lead IMO.
4) Tweakability and Ease of use - for probably the most tweakable pre/pro around, the Lexicon is very easy to use.
-Bob
Thanks Bob, your views are appreciated and back up what the reviews have said and what they say on their web site. It's always nice to hear it from an owner and one who moved up like you did from the older model. Now I've got to decide which of the two to buy.....12B or 8. Of course the $3,000 difference may be a factor.
Hugh
Hugh
" and the requisite F-M curve compensating loudness EQ should you choose to use it."
Actually theirs isn't based on the F-M curve and unlike most it calibrates itself to the SPL level at your listening position. IOW, it applies the proper amount of boost (or no boost at all) based on how loud the music is where you are listening to it. You can leave it on all the time and it won't make you music sound boomy when you are listening to your music louder.
All MC-12 owners are hoping that the v3 upgrade which has an optional 4 mic kit for automatic calibration is the first step toward a room EQ upgrade at a later date.
Shawn
Actually theirs isn't based on the F-M curve and unlike most it calibrates itself to the SPL level at your listening position. IOW, it applies the proper amount of boost (or no boost at all) based on how loud the music is where you are listening to it. You can leave it on all the time and it won't make you music sound boomy when you are listening to your music louder.
All MC-12 owners are hoping that the v3 upgrade which has an optional 4 mic kit for automatic calibration is the first step toward a room EQ upgrade at a later date.
Shawn
Bob,
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Yup. Companies like Lexicon and Meridian took a huge risk by concentrating on digital audio and surround processing at a time when those two technologies were being looked down upon by most audiophiles and high-end companies. Years later, the gamble pays off: digital audio and surround processing are the norm and the rest of the industry is trying to catch up.
Best,
Sanjay
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| Lexicon has a sizeable lead in multichannel processing, as they have been doing it longer than other pre/pros. |
Best,
Sanjay
Oh. I assumed that their SPL-dependant loudness/EQ curves were based on F-M curves. I guess the obvious question is... why aren't they? Is there another theory of "equal loudness" curves (which, naively, I would assume is the purpose of having an intensity dependant EQ "loudness" function in the first place) upon which the MC8/12 is based?
Any info on this mic/room correction potential upgrade also working for the MC8 (which, from what I understand has one less upgrade slot than the MC12)?
Any info on this mic/room correction potential upgrade also working for the MC8 (which, from what I understand has one less upgrade slot than the MC12)?
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The MC-8 also lacks the MC-12's four mic inputs, which would also have to be added in an upgrade. Anything's possible, but realistically I wouldn't count on Room EQ functionality in the MC-8.
Cheers,
Philip Brandes
| Originally posted by Bigus Any info on this mic/room correction potential upgrade also working for the MC8 (which, from what I understand has one less upgrade slot than the MC12)? |
Cheers,
Philip Brandes
" I guess the obvious question is... why aren't they?"
Because they are using a newer curve and only doing the boost in the bass.
"Any info on this mic/room correction potential upgrade also working for the MC8 (which, from what I understand has one less upgrade slot than the MC12)?"
Awhile back on the Lexicon forum Lexicon had said there were no current plans to add the automatic calibration to the MC-8.
Shawn
Because they are using a newer curve and only doing the boost in the bass.
"Any info on this mic/room correction potential upgrade also working for the MC8 (which, from what I understand has one less upgrade slot than the MC12)?"
Awhile back on the Lexicon forum Lexicon had said there were no current plans to add the automatic calibration to the MC-8.
Shawn
Hugh:
I currently have the MC-12B and the LX-7 amp in my system. Upgraded to the 12B from the MC-1. I have been very happy indeed with these products. Each upgrade (either from model to model or from RCA to balanced or from one firmware version to another) has been worth it and made real improvements in the enjoyment factor of my system. The company provides value for their customers and goes far beyond the sell em and forget em approach of so many manufacturers. (Are you listening JVC? ohh but that's another story. sorry.)
btw just ordered the V3.0 upgrade with the mics, so I'll be ready when they release the room EQ firmware.
I love the sound the MC-12 reveals, both for audio only listening and movies as well. I would get one again, yes.
I currently have the MC-12B and the LX-7 amp in my system. Upgraded to the 12B from the MC-1. I have been very happy indeed with these products. Each upgrade (either from model to model or from RCA to balanced or from one firmware version to another) has been worth it and made real improvements in the enjoyment factor of my system. The company provides value for their customers and goes far beyond the sell em and forget em approach of so many manufacturers. (Are you listening JVC? ohh but that's another story. sorry.)
btw just ordered the V3.0 upgrade with the mics, so I'll be ready when they release the room EQ firmware.
I love the sound the MC-12 reveals, both for audio only listening and movies as well. I would get one again, yes.
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I recently upgraded from a DC-1 to an MC-12 and have been extremely pleased.
I got hooked on 7.1 versus 5.1 using Logic 7 in my DC-1. Others have done an excellent job articulating benefits of 7.1 over 5.1. The result for me was much more enveloping surround sound.
I did not want to give up the 7.1 capability (being able to generate 7.1 outputs from any source) when getting a new Prepro, which is why I stayed with Lexicon.
Bruce
I got hooked on 7.1 versus 5.1 using Logic 7 in my DC-1. Others have done an excellent job articulating benefits of 7.1 over 5.1. The result for me was much more enveloping surround sound.
I did not want to give up the 7.1 capability (being able to generate 7.1 outputs from any source) when getting a new Prepro, which is why I stayed with Lexicon.
Bruce
Another MC-8 here. Previously a DC-2 owner. You can't have everything in any one component but I've found Lexicon to cover their bases more competently than most. Sound, ingenuity, upgradibility, foresight, ergonomics, tweakablility, you name it, Lexicon scores high marks in every area. They're the Willie Mays of audio.
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Hugh,
I made the jump from a Denon AVR-4800 receiver to the MC-12B last November and have never regretted the choice. Just got the V.3 upgrade installed two weeks ago.
I enjoy both music and movies and love the sound of the MC-12 with both. Because of Lexicons upgrade and trade in programs, I can see myself being a Lexicon owner for a long time.
I made the jump from a Denon AVR-4800 receiver to the MC-12B last November and have never regretted the choice. Just got the V.3 upgrade installed two weeks ago.
I enjoy both music and movies and love the sound of the MC-12 with both. Because of Lexicons upgrade and trade in programs, I can see myself being a Lexicon owner for a long time.
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Hugh,
I uploaded my MC-12B and LX-7 theater pix to the Photo Gallery so you and others interested can see the gems installed in my rack. I would not trade these units for anything. I just uploaded the V.3 software and the upgradability alone would make me purchase again. Good luck!!
-adam
I uploaded my MC-12B and LX-7 theater pix to the Photo Gallery so you and others interested can see the gems installed in my rack. I would not trade these units for anything. I just uploaded the V.3 software and the upgradability alone would make me purchase again. Good luck!!
-adam
Thanks for the pics they look great. I was really impressed by all the cabeling being neatly tied together. My problem is I am always taking something out or putting it in and then I have to take everything apart so I just dump everything on the floor and I've got about five more pieces than you do so it is one big mess.
Hugh
Hugh
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My trick is the 1000 cable tie bags from Home Depot. Whenever I remove or add components, I cut a path along the ties and then re-tie. I go through lots of cut ties and keep the tie makers happy.
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I was interested in this because when I last switched I was unable to include the 12 because in my city of 4 million people there wasn't one dealer. I had the MC1 and loved it on movies, but hated it on music, and wanted to see if they had dealt with that. I also loved the envelope effect and setup control, which I understand is even greater, and the connectivity appears much more thought out, and better then anyone else right now.
If any of you that have 12's had a MC or DC, please compare and contrast the new one, because you would have similar perspective on the old one to me, and if you quote it on music, please only do so if you hated the prior ones, because otherwise, we woujld just have different views on music as the first one's just seemed to try and add processing to all sources in my view. Please also contrast balanced to regular if you tried both ways.
If any of you that have 12's had a MC or DC, please compare and contrast the new one, because you would have similar perspective on the old one to me, and if you quote it on music, please only do so if you hated the prior ones, because otherwise, we woujld just have different views on music as the first one's just seemed to try and add processing to all sources in my view. Please also contrast balanced to regular if you tried both ways.
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