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Lilmike's LilWrecker
Well, I have been talking about starting a proper thread to discuss this design for about a year now....
Anyhow - here it is.
Way back in the dark ages, radman12 tracked me down with his mad internet stalking skills and started filling my inbox with emails about how he wanted crazy bass for the home theater he was building. This was the beginning of what has become the LilWrecker.
The LilWrecker is a derivative of dB's housewrecker project. I tried to get as much of the performance as I could while making it fit into the space that was available. With a few builds, we had determined that the Kicker CVX is not a bad driver for use in a tapped horn. There are other driver options out there though. That will be discussed in a later post.
I started with the space that radman12 had behind his false wall, then factored in the realistic power he would be using, as well as response goals. After eleventy bazillion fold attempts, I finally came up with something that looked like it would work, except, I couldn't model it in HornResp any more, so I brushed up on my akabak skills and verified it would work OK.
We wound up with a tapped horn, designed to use the CVX, tuned to ~17 Hz. It barely fit the space radman12 had to park it, and was big enough that even with two guys, it still took wheels to move it safely (cause I'm old...). Radman12 took the plunge and built a pair, I measured both and helped with setup and EQ right after the paint dried (because I happened to be in his neck of the woods on business).
Once everything was working properly, a pair in his theater is certainly an experience.
I'm sure that as radman12 is able, he'll post up some more pictures and add some comments. For now - I will attach the zip of the sketchup files, a screenie of the sweeps (yeah, on that last one, we were driving the coil out of the gap down low, but it did not clank), and open this up to further discussion.
1W, 10W, 100W, 400W, and amp limits (iNuke 3000, bridged into 8 ohms), measured at 1M groundplane.
LilWrecker.zip 90k .zip file
Edit 1-13-2013:
Dimensions are 70" long, 28 1/2" deep, and 25 3/8" high, so each cabinet is 29.3 cubic feet external. This is not exactly a small cabinet. Each cabinet takes 4 4X8 sheets of ply, radman12 used Arauco. Bracing is not drawn in the plans, but is required. A single, windowed brace in the center of the panels is sufficient. The build was done with PL premium and 1 5/8" drywall screws.
Edit 1-16-2013
Hornresp inputs are attached. This is an approximation, as the actual fold uses one more taper than Hornresp can model. It should be close enough. My apologies for not including it earlier. lwv8_5.txt 0k .txt file
Edit 9-14-2013
How about some instructions?? Draft instructions attached, please let me know if I screwed something up or if I could clarify anything. The instructions provide a bit more detail as to the suggested bracing. I also bolded a few more drivers that are known to work. LilWrecker Instructions.pdf 205k .pdf file
Drivers that should work based on specs I have (in no particular order)
(bold type means tested and proven)
Kicker 2010 CVX 154
Kicker 2010 CVX 152
Stereo Integrity HT15D2
Stereo Integrity HT15D4
TC Sounds LMS-R 15
TC Sounds LMS5400 15
AE AV15H D4
Alpine SWS-15D2
Alpine SWS-15D4
Sundown Zv3 15
Fi Q 15
Eminence Lab15
Anyhow - here it is.
Way back in the dark ages, radman12 tracked me down with his mad internet stalking skills and started filling my inbox with emails about how he wanted crazy bass for the home theater he was building. This was the beginning of what has become the LilWrecker.
The LilWrecker is a derivative of dB's housewrecker project. I tried to get as much of the performance as I could while making it fit into the space that was available. With a few builds, we had determined that the Kicker CVX is not a bad driver for use in a tapped horn. There are other driver options out there though. That will be discussed in a later post.
I started with the space that radman12 had behind his false wall, then factored in the realistic power he would be using, as well as response goals. After eleventy bazillion fold attempts, I finally came up with something that looked like it would work, except, I couldn't model it in HornResp any more, so I brushed up on my akabak skills and verified it would work OK.
We wound up with a tapped horn, designed to use the CVX, tuned to ~17 Hz. It barely fit the space radman12 had to park it, and was big enough that even with two guys, it still took wheels to move it safely (cause I'm old...). Radman12 took the plunge and built a pair, I measured both and helped with setup and EQ right after the paint dried (because I happened to be in his neck of the woods on business).
Once everything was working properly, a pair in his theater is certainly an experience.
I'm sure that as radman12 is able, he'll post up some more pictures and add some comments. For now - I will attach the zip of the sketchup files, a screenie of the sweeps (yeah, on that last one, we were driving the coil out of the gap down low, but it did not clank), and open this up to further discussion.
1W, 10W, 100W, 400W, and amp limits (iNuke 3000, bridged into 8 ohms), measured at 1M groundplane.
LilWrecker.zip 90k .zip file
Edit 1-13-2013:
Dimensions are 70" long, 28 1/2" deep, and 25 3/8" high, so each cabinet is 29.3 cubic feet external. This is not exactly a small cabinet. Each cabinet takes 4 4X8 sheets of ply, radman12 used Arauco. Bracing is not drawn in the plans, but is required. A single, windowed brace in the center of the panels is sufficient. The build was done with PL premium and 1 5/8" drywall screws.
Edit 1-16-2013
Hornresp inputs are attached. This is an approximation, as the actual fold uses one more taper than Hornresp can model. It should be close enough. My apologies for not including it earlier. lwv8_5.txt 0k .txt file
Edit 9-14-2013
How about some instructions?? Draft instructions attached, please let me know if I screwed something up or if I could clarify anything. The instructions provide a bit more detail as to the suggested bracing. I also bolded a few more drivers that are known to work. LilWrecker Instructions.pdf 205k .pdf file
Drivers that should work based on specs I have (in no particular order)
(bold type means tested and proven)
Kicker 2010 CVX 154
Kicker 2010 CVX 152
Stereo Integrity HT15D2
Stereo Integrity HT15D4
TC Sounds LMS-R 15
TC Sounds LMS5400 15
AE AV15H D4
Alpine SWS-15D2
Alpine SWS-15D4
Sundown Zv3 15
Fi Q 15
Eminence Lab15
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First and foremost a huge thanks and tip of my hat to Lilmike for his time, efforts, and passion for this hobby and continuing drive to feed our bass addictions. I am a young buck to this hobby with only about 3 years of building and enjoying real bass bliss since I started stalking Lilmike and now 17 built tapped horns and 3 years later I was finally able to build some monsters that give me an experience every time I fire them up. I ran a THT(just to see), then 4 of the anarchy 25hz TH's, then 4 of the T-6 TH's, and now 2 lilwreckers.
I am powering the pair with a ep4000 bridged and balanced minidsp for eq, hpf @ 14hz and another ep4000 bridged into 4 T-6 TH's that are around the room to smooth the response and just give that little more over the top ridiculous bass, even though they aren't needed, when we get liquored up for some loud pool or ping pong music
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All said and done, I may just give each wrecker an ep4000 and let em have it.
My room is 15' x 35' with double 5/8" sheetrocked walls and they have no problem filling or pressurizing the room or making a wall flap with some sinewaves.
They are big, but enjoyable (until mike comes up with his next crazy TH), I added a red solo cup for a size reference, we all can relate to one of those
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I am powering the pair with a ep4000 bridged and balanced minidsp for eq, hpf @ 14hz and another ep4000 bridged into 4 T-6 TH's that are around the room to smooth the response and just give that little more over the top ridiculous bass, even though they aren't needed, when we get liquored up for some loud pool or ping pong music
My room is 15' x 35' with double 5/8" sheetrocked walls and they have no problem filling or pressurizing the room or making a wall flap with some sinewaves.
They are big, but enjoyable (until mike comes up with his next crazy TH), I added a red solo cup for a size reference, we all can relate to one of those
Great work again but I am still always startled by these horn pictures.
As I scroll through I see the first pics of the box construction. Looks neat but I can't yet get a sense of scale.
Then I see a finished pic and realize the enclose is the same size as a modest refrigerator.
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By no means a criticism. We are all slaves to the 1/4 wavelength rule!!!! But I have to think others have the same experience.....?
As I scroll through I see the first pics of the box construction. Looks neat but I can't yet get a sense of scale.
Then I see a finished pic and realize the enclose is the same size as a modest refrigerator.
By no means a criticism. We are all slaves to the 1/4 wavelength rule!!!! But I have to think others have the same experience.....?
Wow... I cannot even imagine how this sounds.. Should rename them Homewrecker... Pretty sure you could do some damage with those
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Once I complete my pair, you are welcome to come hear them. Maple grove is about 40 mins from me.
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Originally Posted by ack_bk /t/1451519/lilmikes-lilwrecker#post_22827488
Wow... I cannot even imagine how this sounds.. Should rename them Homewrecker... Pretty sure you could do some damage with those![]()
Once I complete my pair, you are welcome to come hear them. Maple grove is about 40 mins from me.
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