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Look at this link. Very interesting. He pulls apart a Toshiba HD-DVD player.

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So the Toshiba A1 is in fact a $500 PC that just plays HD-DVDs! That explains a lot about why it is so slow to start up ("boot"). At least it doesn't use Windows (yet)!
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So the Toshiba A1 is in fact a $500 PC that just plays HD-DVDs! That explains a lot about why it is so slow to start up ("boot"). At least it doesn't use Windows (yet)!


Maybe Sony puts some spyware in our HD-DVD "pc's" to slow'em down :D



Marc.
Perhaps, it is comparable to a $500 PC, but does something with 2.5 Ghz P4 and 1 GB of RAM sound like something that should be "slow"? It's also not booting up a full ride WinXP OS, either. So I don't think much is explained about what could remotely make for bootups slower than 4 or 5 fingersnaps, imo.


Perhaps, it is using the world's worst optimized compile of RedHat Linux, but I'm not thinking that is a likely explanation. Could it be the interactive features layer is excruciatingly inefficient and bloated?


Given the hardware choice to implement this player, it seems the media functionality should have extended quite a bit further than just playing HD-DVD's. Would it not seem there is plenty of resources available to host a full-blown media server/hub? Perhaps this model is simply a test vehicle for a full blown media server version to come later? It really seems a hair trigger away from this kind of duty just by adding a harddrive and a running copy of Vista, no?


Perhaps there is a non-compete stipulation in effect for the time being?
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Perhaps, it is comparable to a $500 PC, but does something with 2.5 Ghz P4 and 1 GB of RAM sound like something that should be "slow"? It's also not booting up a full ride WinXP OS, either. So I don't think much is explained about what could remotely make for bootups slower than 4 or 5 fingersnaps, imo.


Perhaps, it is using the world's worst optimized compile of RedHat Linux, but I'm not thinking that is a likely explanation. Could it be the interactive features layer is excruciatingly inefficient and bloated?


Given the hardware choice to implement this player, it seems the media functionality should have extended quite a bit further than just playing HD-DVD's. Would it not seem there is plenty of resources available to host a full-blown media server/hub? Perhaps this model is simply a test vehicle for a full blown media server version to come later? It really seems a hair trigger away from this kind of duty just by adding a harddrive and a running copy of Vista, no?


Perhaps there is a non-compete stipulation in effect for the time being?
Don't disagree, but if the studios want to replace all those SD-DVD players and movie titles with HD/BD-DVD then they need to make these things cheaper and simpler (not to mention more reliable) not bigger, more expensive, and more buggy (vulnerable to viruses, for example). Still, it does offer potential for considerable enhancements from firmware upgrades and or mods.
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I did a search on the HD-1100 drive from NEC that is inside A1 and found this small test review:

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/...ec-hr1100.html


Keep in mind this is a pre-production drive sample and some changes may have been made.There are some interesting findings one of which is the disk recognition time of around 20 seconds for most media.Those of us hoping for better firmware that will speed things up should realize that the disc recognition time is a characteristic of the HD-DVD drive itself and probably can not be changed much by a firmware upgrade. It seems this is the price we pay for being a early adopter.
I completely agree dsmith. It seems the more "computer like" things get, the slower they get to become operational at first turn-on vs. the typical CE device which is ready to rock almost instantaneously. To pull similar examples, it is annoying to have to wait for my Sirius S50 to reach a user screen everytime I turn it on. It's a friggen mp3 player when portable, yet I gotta wait before I can pick something to play. My ota hd receiver has a similar annoying pause upon startup. My sd DirecTv tuner, otoh, is piping a signal in less than a second (though it terminally runs warm on the case exterior, so maybe it is "cheating").


Thinking about it further last night, I was thinking maybe the actual bootup up this hd-dvd player isn't as long as it seems. Maybe a great deal of that time, it is doing a ram check over 1 GB (like you would expect a PC to do?). That would account for quite a bit of time. Maybe they could program later versions to periodically do a memcheck during "offline" periods. ...or maybe this is a kind of device that should be "sleeped/standby'd", rather than shutdown when you are done with it, if boottime has to be such an ordeal.
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 http://www.ultimateavmag.com/hddiscp...hd/index6.html



Toshiba claims that DRM is also responsible for the slow load times. If any of you guys are familiar with HTPC and TS (HD) files the playback is not instantaneous when you click on a movie. Lag seems to depend on size of movie. Just a thought.
I think its safe to say we can expect improved loading times, but not sure they will ever be as fast as some SD-DVD players. That's okay, most of us could benefit from a little slow down in our lives from time to time.
I was also thinking, could this have been the core platform originally proposed for the X360 console (the design bid for an x86-based successor to the XBox)? Obviously, this is missing some pretty important console components, but just thinking of it as the platform chassis that these parts would be integrated to, sounds pretty plausible to me.
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