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I am Comparing numbers directly for m databass ( see the 2 charts i recently posted).... How am I making this up.
 

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You obviously didn't take the time to look at the two charts I posted which where provided directly from databass using the same testing methodology.(Not HSU).......... My opinion is purely objective since I don't own either and have no bias towards any of those subs .

The only number I used that was incorrect was the 103 vs 108(hsu) i apologies for that,

Take a look at the charts (provided by databass testing) or better yet go on databass.com and you'll see the SVS only has a slight edge in performance from 20-25hz by 1db, But looses out from 16(4db) -19hz ... And gets completely destroyed from 40hz to 100hz by as much as 4-5db.. and still holds a 2db advantage at 31.5hz


if we where comparing the PB2000, then yes the PB2000 absolutely outperforms the HSU 16hz-30hz.... be we are comparing the older PB12-NSD
 

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Heres a quick chart from (Data-Bass)
 

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Now you are extrapolating numbers from a different sub altogether to support your HSU argument. Sorry, that just doesn’t fly with me. You have to compare apples with apples.
 

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The HSU VTF-2 Mk5 and the Outlaw measure almost exactly the same so the comparison is good. Here is the chart with the (corrected 2m) HSU numbers and the Outlaw database numbers.


20 25 31.5 40 50 63 80
Outlaw LFM-1 EX | 101 | 107.3 | 110.7 | 112.3 | 113.7 | 113.8 | 113.7 |
HSU VTF-2 Mk5 | 101.4 | 106.8 | 110.1 | 112.1 | 113.7 | 114.1 | 113.7
 

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The HSU VTF-2 Mk5 and the Outlaw measure almost exactly the same so the comparison is good. Here is the chart with the (corrected 2m) HSU numbers and the Outlaw database numbers.


20 25 31.5 40 50 63 80
Outlaw LFM-1 EX | 101 | 107.3 | 110.7 | 112.3 | 113.7 | 113.8 | 113.7 |
HSU VTF-2 Mk5 | 101.4 | 106.8 | 110.1 | 112.1 | 113.7 | 114.1 | 113.7

^ this guy :) +1


my opinion/recommendation is unbiased since i have no money/emotions invested in these subs. SVS most likely released the PB2000 because the PB12-NSD was falling behind the competition.... it's a great sub don't get me wrong, but you can do better for almost the same $$ ex: VTF2-MK5 is the $500 king

edit: DIY is the $500 king, but the HSU is the ID $500 king
 

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^ this guy :) +1


my opinion/recommendation is unbiased since i have no money/emotions invested in these subs. SVS most likely released the PB2000 because the PB12-NSD was falling behind the competition.... it's a great sub don't get me wrong, but you can do better for almost the same $$ ex: VTF2-MK5 is the $500 king

edit: DIY is the $500 king, but the HSU is the ID $500 king
First off, the VTF-2 isn't a $500 sub. It's normally $604 w/shipping and $664 if you want the 5 year amp warranty, which is standard on all SVS subwoofers. There's also a lot more to a sub than just max burst numbers. Like I mentioned previously, to achieve similar extension to the PB12-NSD, the VTF-2 must be run in 1 port mode, with just a 3" port. If you listen to demanding LFE at very loud levels, this will likely result in unwanted port noise. The PB12 also has much lower THD levels than the VTF-2. The PB12 driver is also very robust and uses a cast basket. The VTF-2 uses a less impressive driver with a cheaper stamped basket. The PB12 has a strict limiter that makes it very unlikley it will make any bad sounds, even when played at extreme levels. The larger 4" port also helps with this. SVS uses the Sledge amps, which have proven to be rock solid. HSU still uses BASH amps, which you usually only see in mass market subs now days. SVS and PSA used to use BASH amps, but moved on to better amps. BASH amps just aren't known for using high quality components.

So if you want more output above 30Hz, the VTF-2 will give you extra headroom over the PB12-NSD. VTF-2 also offers some tuning options and port configurations to play with. Some like this, some don't. Price on the VTF-2 is about $100 more ( currently on sale for $587) than the PB12 and that's with the inferior warranty. An argument can be made to pick the VTF-2 over the PB12, such as a large room size, but in that instance I would say save up for a larger more capable sub.


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