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Looking for a small surge protector with filtering - can't really find what I like...
Over time I used many surge protectors, AV power centers.
I usually liked what panamx has to offer. I used the high-end power centers for the media room and I used a simple model for TV's:
http://www.panamax.com/Products/Other/M2AV.aspx
I like the compact size and the filter capability.
I'm looking for a similar device. However, I would like one that doesn't plug into the wall (plug will be behind furniture). So, a flat plug with a short cable would be great.
Also, I would like 3-4 protected power outlets and one coax protection.
Besides surge protection I need some power filtering.
They do flat models with outlets on the side like this:
http://www.panamax.com/Products/Floo...s/MFP-300.aspx
It seems to be aimed to go behind the TV. However, this one has only two outlets.
Has anyone seen the kind of product I'm looking for?
- surge + filter
- 1 coax
- 3-4 outlets
- flat power plug/short power cable
- outlets on the side ( I would like to hide the strip below a furniture)
I usually liked what panamx has to offer. I used the high-end power centers for the media room and I used a simple model for TV's:
http://www.panamax.com/Products/Other/M2AV.aspx
I like the compact size and the filter capability.
I'm looking for a similar device. However, I would like one that doesn't plug into the wall (plug will be behind furniture). So, a flat plug with a short cable would be great.
Also, I would like 3-4 protected power outlets and one coax protection.
Besides surge protection I need some power filtering.
They do flat models with outlets on the side like this:
http://www.panamax.com/Products/Floo...s/MFP-300.aspx
It seems to be aimed to go behind the TV. However, this one has only two outlets.
Has anyone seen the kind of product I'm looking for?
- surge + filter
- 1 coax
- 3-4 outlets
- flat power plug/short power cable
- outlets on the side ( I would like to hide the strip below a furniture)
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In order to improve on what is already inside electronics, the filter must be this large and this expensive. See Brickwall, Surgex, or Zerosurge for examples.
Filitering in typically surge protectors is so tiny that the first filter inside electronics already does more - makes the power strip filter do virtually nothing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by metropole /forum/post/18107496
Besides surge protection I need some power filtering.
In order to improve on what is already inside electronics, the filter must be this large and this expensive. See Brickwall, Surgex, or Zerosurge for examples.
Filitering in typically surge protectors is so tiny that the first filter inside electronics already does more - makes the power strip filter do virtually nothing.
Those series units may be decent filters, but I have yet to see any published information for standard tests by a third party??
Quote:
Originally Posted by westom /forum/post/18109698
In order to improve on what is already inside electronics, the filter must be this large and this expensive. See Brickwall, Surgex, or Zerosurge for examples.
Filitering in typically surge protectors is so tiny that the first filter inside electronics already does more - makes the power strip filter do virtually nothing.
Those series units may be decent filters, but I have yet to see any published information for standard tests by a third party??
Why do you need power filtering and surge suppression at this location?
Can you install a unit at the main service entrance panel?
Quote:
Originally Posted by metropole /forum/post/18107496
I'm looking for a similar device. However, I would like one that doesn't plug into the wall (plug will be behind furniture). So, a flat plug with a short cable would be great.
Also, I would like 3-4 protected power outlets and one coax protection.
Besides surge protection I need some power filtering.
Why do you need power filtering and surge suppression at this location?
Can you install a unit at the main service entrance panel?
That powersquid looks actually interesting. Has even a filter.
Yes, I want to have a filter for all electronics that deals with analog signals. There is just to much crap on the lines.
I realize that some devices have a filter built in and the one in the surge protector might be only the same "quality". Even so, doubling up helps. Plus it will take of some burden from the main device. I'm doing this more do protect the lifespan of an AV device than from a "purist" perspective.
I don't see why a good filter should be expensive. $20 in parts takes you a long way.
Yes, I want to have a filter for all electronics that deals with analog signals. There is just to much crap on the lines.
I realize that some devices have a filter built in and the one in the surge protector might be only the same "quality". Even so, doubling up helps. Plus it will take of some burden from the main device. I'm doing this more do protect the lifespan of an AV device than from a "purist" perspective.
I don't see why a good filter should be expensive. $20 in parts takes you a long way.
To improve on filtering already inside all AV equipment, $20 would be near zero filtering - wasted money.
If it has a good filter, then post the numbers. Your reasoning is classic junk science that promotes retail sales. What is good is also the worst in the world. Both are valid if numbers are ignored. I can install a tremendous filter ... with one 20 cent capacitor. And that also would do nothing to protect any part.
Maybe you don't understand what a superior filter is already doing. A minimal example: First AC electricity is filtered using something superior to anything inside the squid. Then all noise and power is rectified. All that AC power and noise energy is converted to a DC voltage that is increased to above 300 volts DC. Then it is filtered again. Then that filtered and converted power from AC mains and all other noise is converted again; this time to high voltage radio frequencies. How does any line noise still exist? It doesn't. But then more 'filtering and converting' occurs.
Then power is filtered and converted again through a transformer. That resulting low voltage radio frequency is converted to low voltage DC. And then filtered again.
Show me a 'power cord' device that does anything approaching that. You cannot. To be effective, a filter must do at least what exists inside the appliance. To be a purist means you know better is necessary. And means you know the numbers.
Those filters in the panamax, et al are near zero. Exist only to promote sales to the naive. Nothing more. No numbers is how near zero gets promoted as 100%. Filters in power cord devices do virtually nothing. For filters that do something useful, spend well over $100. And those filters are noticeably heavy.
Or buy a 50 cent capacitor from Radio Shack to also obtain your good' filtering.
Quote:
Originally Posted by metropole /forum/post/18113886
I don't see why a good filter should be expensive. $20 in parts takes you a long way.
To improve on filtering already inside all AV equipment, $20 would be near zero filtering - wasted money.
If it has a good filter, then post the numbers. Your reasoning is classic junk science that promotes retail sales. What is good is also the worst in the world. Both are valid if numbers are ignored. I can install a tremendous filter ... with one 20 cent capacitor. And that also would do nothing to protect any part.
Maybe you don't understand what a superior filter is already doing. A minimal example: First AC electricity is filtered using something superior to anything inside the squid. Then all noise and power is rectified. All that AC power and noise energy is converted to a DC voltage that is increased to above 300 volts DC. Then it is filtered again. Then that filtered and converted power from AC mains and all other noise is converted again; this time to high voltage radio frequencies. How does any line noise still exist? It doesn't. But then more 'filtering and converting' occurs.
Then power is filtered and converted again through a transformer. That resulting low voltage radio frequency is converted to low voltage DC. And then filtered again.
Show me a 'power cord' device that does anything approaching that. You cannot. To be effective, a filter must do at least what exists inside the appliance. To be a purist means you know better is necessary. And means you know the numbers.
Those filters in the panamax, et al are near zero. Exist only to promote sales to the naive. Nothing more. No numbers is how near zero gets promoted as 100%. Filters in power cord devices do virtually nothing. For filters that do something useful, spend well over $100. And those filters are noticeably heavy.
Or buy a 50 cent capacitor from Radio Shack to also obtain your good' filtering.
westom, are you in the "surge protector" trade? I noticed that you offered help for many surge protector related threads...
Not at all. But we did things that meant lighting could never cause any damage. I am in the habit of going after poplar urban myths when I know my ****. And I know about surge protection. Even had some of my early designs 'tested' by surges. And yes, some of those 'experiments' resulting in damage - and knowledge. Mistakes are necessary to learn.
What was posted was well understood even 100 years ago. The concepts are what Ben Franklin did in 1752. And yet a majority have never heard it. Some will aggressively insult me for providing science concepts backed by numbers. A curiosity called kill the messenger'.
I openly question many for how they 'know' without first learning. Effective protectors work for the same reason that Franklin's lightning rods work. Ineffective protectors demonstrate both how and why propaganda works to promote scandalously profitable lies. Promote products that even violate what Franklin demonstrated. I don't like liars and I do not like watching others pilfered by those lies. I know this stuff well both from training and experience. So I always include the reasons why. Then watch how many respond.
Notice every poster says what and then includes the always required reasons why. If someone tells you something and does not also say why - does not provide the numbers - then you all but know he is lying. Unfortunately, many will believe that liar especially if he also insults. Insults, too often, are considered more credible than facts and numbers. Also curious.
So curious is how so many will attack because they believe only the first thing they were told. So yes, it is not just about surge protectors. So many people just know only because they were told to believe. Will aggressively deny facts and numbers. Will believe another who only insults. Or will even disbelieve because numbers are provided. All so curious.
Quote:
Originally Posted by metropole /forum/post/18119273
westom, are you in the "surge protector" trade? I noticed that you offered help for many surge protector related threads...
Not at all. But we did things that meant lighting could never cause any damage. I am in the habit of going after poplar urban myths when I know my ****. And I know about surge protection. Even had some of my early designs 'tested' by surges. And yes, some of those 'experiments' resulting in damage - and knowledge. Mistakes are necessary to learn.
What was posted was well understood even 100 years ago. The concepts are what Ben Franklin did in 1752. And yet a majority have never heard it. Some will aggressively insult me for providing science concepts backed by numbers. A curiosity called kill the messenger'.
I openly question many for how they 'know' without first learning. Effective protectors work for the same reason that Franklin's lightning rods work. Ineffective protectors demonstrate both how and why propaganda works to promote scandalously profitable lies. Promote products that even violate what Franklin demonstrated. I don't like liars and I do not like watching others pilfered by those lies. I know this stuff well both from training and experience. So I always include the reasons why. Then watch how many respond.
Notice every poster says what and then includes the always required reasons why. If someone tells you something and does not also say why - does not provide the numbers - then you all but know he is lying. Unfortunately, many will believe that liar especially if he also insults. Insults, too often, are considered more credible than facts and numbers. Also curious.
So curious is how so many will attack because they believe only the first thing they were told. So yes, it is not just about surge protectors. So many people just know only because they were told to believe. Will aggressively deny facts and numbers. Will believe another who only insults. Or will even disbelieve because numbers are provided. All so curious.
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