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I'm looking to build a sub that has similar response to the captivator 4000 below 30hz or better. Above 30hz I'm good. I've got a labgroupen clone to play ball with. Any designs out there that will get me in the playing field?
 

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I mean chose any of the well used 18” subs and throw them in a huge ported box... that’s all a Cap4000 is.

Or if you want a 4000 Killer, try your hand with some 21” or 24” subs, or horn subs, or a combination of both.
 

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I have spent hours on this, that sub is a master piece. The cost is so close to the 4000 going DIY you might as well go out and buy a 4000. Especially if getting close to the form factor and tune are the goals. Two IPALs are the only way to get close to those two things.
 

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What you need is someone more educated than us and very familiar with hornrsp. I'm sure a properly designed horn with a 10~30 response goal could beat it.

But JTR is no joke. If I didn't build my own I'd buy JTR. When I came late to a gtg the noesis 215's were on. I asked which subs were playing and everyone smiled. Those are my favorite speakers to this day

Edit: check out data-bass. I'm pretty sure Ricci's RE XXX ported to 12 is still on there. It's awesome.
 

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The drivers and amp in the JTR are no joke.
You'd need a pair of 10hz ported 24's and a FP14k to rip the 4000 a new hole.

Let's face it... you don't buy 24's for their 200hz performance, you buy them for their 1-30hz dominance vs smaller woofers.
For the same reason you wouldn't buy PA woofers for their
 

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Good evening,

I'm looking to build a sub that has similar response to the captivator 4000 below 30hz or better. Above 30hz I'm good. I've got a labgroupen clone to play ball with. Any designs out there that will get me in the playing field?
most of the commercial subs are limited in size. that can be used to your advantage in diy.

you could use a lesser driver, such as the UM18, use three of them, in a nice big enclosure and outperform it.



notnyt designed a dual um18 cab here:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-diy-speakers-subs/1974169-notnyt-s-big-azzed-ported-design.html

since having multiples is good, perhaps that could be another option.

essentially, figure out how big of a sub you have space for and it is relatively easy to create a custom ported cab to fit in the space.

and if going for only 30Hz and lower, a 6th order bandpass might be another option.

6th order bandpass gives some additional output from the front port in exchange for less output above the upper corner.



max output is pretty close on the low end, excursion limited region (the droop in the graphic).



i've got 28mm as xmax for the driver. usable is higher than that, but i'm not sure how high. backing out data-bass numbers suggests somewhere around 34mm or so.

this is the jtr4000ulf from data-bass.



add 6db for comparison to the winisd models above which are 1m. data-bass is 2m.

so to get the same max output, would require roughly 10db more than the single um18. so 3 um18's in a properly ported cab would be about the same, perhaps a little more, max output. (3 drivers give 9.5db or so vs. a single and 34mm vs 28mm would give a little bit more).

the um18 drivers do not have as powerful of a motor as the driver in the jtr cab, so if looking to do the same output in the same size cab, they wouldn't be the best choice. big motor, big excursion, 18's are expensive. for under 30 hz, maybe something custom from stereo integrity could be an option if size is critical.
 

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a little more refined.

25 cubic feet internal before drivers and bracing, approx 23 c.f. net.

tuning of around 12hz. since you won't have to worry about first port resonance a 66" long port can be used. 4" x 7.5" (3 sections). first port resonance ~95Hz.







1w1m response



max spl using 28mm excursion



this is just a conceptual. cabs would need to be well braced!

'generic man' is scaled to be 6 feet tall.
 

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a little more refined.

25 cubic feet internal before drivers and bracing, approx 23 c.f. net.

tuning of around 12hz. since you won't have to worry about first port resonance a 66" long port can be used. 4" x 7.5" (3 sections). first port resonance ~95Hz.







1w1m response



max spl using 28mm excursion



this is just a conceptual. cabs would need to be well braced!

'generic man' is scaled to be 6 feet tall.
Oh man, that's cool!
@LTD02, I salute you, sir!
 

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Consider the Power Sound Audio TV-36 Ipal for $2999.99 delivered in pre-order. Dual Ipal 18's...
 

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How much power is that John?
91 volts per driver or about 6000 "watts" for all 3 drivers.

however, as you probably know, actual power depends on frequency.

this is how the amplifier sees the 6000 watts with a 10hz 2nd order high pass and an 80hz 4th order low pass (typical avr setup).

 

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This thread makes me want the 4000ULF's even MORE!! :eek:
 

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Here is dual 24's ported to 10hz with a FP14k and a bit of signal shaping.
 

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Wow there's alot of info to go off of here. Looking at the 24, it seems it would take about 3 or 4 UM-18's to get to the same displacement. As far as cash flow, of course at $284x4 that's awesome, however bragging rights about a 24 just seem, well..nice lol. JTR is a beautiful design that I wish I could afford, but while its only $4000, its out of my reach like many.
LTD02, I love your designs and your model always cracks me up. I agree the 3 or 4 UM-18's in a ported cab tuned 10-15hz should be interesting
 

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BTH is that the MK2 or MK3 specs?

Cant remember if Nick said the MK3 was better in smaller enclosures or not. I know there is the more expensive version also but I think his MK3 was the new go to. Havent simulated it yet but pair of 24s and FP20000 seem to be a great bargain.
 

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BTH is that the MK2 or MK3 specs?

Cant remember if Nick said the MK3 was better in smaller enclosures or not. I know there is the more expensive version also but I think his MK3 was the new go to. Havent simulated it yet but pair of 24s and FP20000 seem to be a great bargain.
MK3
and short-term power too, the FP14k can't sustain that much (and neither can the breaker...)

How many cubes?
All your cubes are belong. All your amp and coil-heat are belong. :D

 

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