[beatboy77]

Looks like HD-DVD got cracked again. They are saying Blu-ray is just as vulnerable. I thought Blu-ray has the BD+ excryption as well?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=786427


~Josh

 

[hmurchison]

BD+ isn't being used. It's not ready yet like a lot of Blu-ray tech

 

[Bob Meridian]

Blu-ray also has the Watermark

 

[hmurchison]



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Originally Posted by Bob Meridian /forum/post/0


Blu-ray also has the Watermark

That only helps track production. It doesn't prevent piracry but rather leaves a "paper trail"

 

[dialog_gvf]

There is also the ROM-Mark. But it is only helpful if the protection remains intact.


If they are decrypting the data into the clear, then that would work on BD too.

 

[camaj]



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Originally Posted by hmurchison /forum/post/0


BD+ isn't being used. It's not ready yet like a lot of Blu-ray tech

And you know this how?


AIUI BD+ is like a safety switch. If a title or player is hacked BD+ will prevent those titles from player. So because it hasn't been needed, it hasn't been used?

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Blu-ray also has the Watermark

Right, Rom-mark IIRC. That won't stop rips, but it will stop identical copies of the disc from being made. A rip would play back because the protection would have been defeated but identical copies just copy everything but leaves it encrypted

 

[hmurchison]

A little birdy told me.

 

[Rob Zuber]

paidgeek, the Sony insider here, has said that no titles are using BD+ yet.


Oh, and put hmurchison on ignore. It will raise your IQ.

 

[hmurchison]



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Originally Posted by Rob Zuber /forum/post/0


paidgeek, the Sony insider here, has said that no titles are using BD+ yet.


Oh, and put hmurchison on ignore. It will raise your IQ.

I was right! I didn't lie to him. Ok I'm not going to provoke because it's not cool. I just had a little blowback to administer.

 

[LAGOSIAN]

Blu-ray and HD DVD both are, and will remain vulnerable to a degree. No matter how sophisticated their copy protection gets, there is always a genius hacker out there who would break it! It is childish delusional to believe that they can create a system that cannot be hacked. Anything created by man can be undone by man. Simple as that.

 

[dialog_gvf]

Keep in mind, AACS has NOT been hacked. A player has been.


So, since this isn't a BD player, BD is still safe. But, the same problem on the BD version could have the same results.


To TRANSFER from HD DVD to BD would require some transcoding. Hardly trivial. The other way is generally impossible (HD DVD can't handle BD's bandwidth).


So, the only possible sync currently for these hacks, IF THEY ARE REAL, is an Xbox 360 or a PC.


Gary

 

[Primus67]



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Originally Posted by Rob Zuber /forum/post/0



Oh, and put hmurchison on ignore. It will raise your IQ.

you can put him on ignore? cool! how?

 

[hmurchison]



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Originally Posted by Primus67 /forum/post/0


you can put him on ignore? cool! how?

Primus67 you know you trolled with the short lived "I bought Crank" thread. Don't give it if you cannot receive it. Zuber loves me and he knows it.

 

[xbdestroya]

How can there be so much misinformation accrued so quickly in one thread?


BD+ isn't in effect yet, so it's a non-factor at the moment. When it starts getting used, it will be a force; the entire encryption system will be able to be switched up title to tile, production run to production run... to whatever extent that the publishers wish to put forth the effort.


ROM-Mark is in effect, and it essentially prevents pirates from pressing discs, because it's presence is required for pressed discs to playback in a BD device. Pressed discs are the major source of illicit copies in the world of DVD, so whether or not a BD title eventually gets hacked, that layer of protection preventing it from being mass produced will always be there.

 

[joerod]

I only believe half of everything I read... Seriously...

 

[paintit77]

Okay so it is impossible to rip the film from the encryption? The encryption is the film/content? So the two are glued together and can never be seperatted? The actual movie is removed from the encrytion and once it is burned without the encryption the player will not play because there is no key?

So BD+ will not allow any content to play with the ROM mark? Or without the ROM mark? Or will the watermark keep the encryption from decrypting?


I am glad we cleared that up!

 

[MidnightWatcher]



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Originally Posted by dialog_gvf /forum/post/0


Keep in mind, AACS has NOT been hacked. A player has been.


So, since this isn't a BD player, BD is still safe. But, the same problem on the BD version could have the same results.

You are correct, it is the player that was compromised (PowerDVD 6.5). The same thing can be done for PowerDVD 6.6, so Blu-Ray is in the same boat. It's not much of an issue since AACS was designed with this in mind, so it is an opportunity to demonstrate the superiority of AACS over DSS.

 

[Rob Zuber]

I LOVE seeing comments like this (from the doom forum):


"In the war of HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray ... it looks like I'm going with HD-DVD."


Perhaps I'll send that to all the studios, especially Universal.

 

[jwv651]

Another useless thread from the beat. It just never ends.

 

[LAGOSIAN]



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Originally Posted by jwv651 /forum/post/0


Another useless thread from the beat. It just never ends.

My God!! You are right