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'Rings' characters discuss Oscar snub

by Molly J. Ringwraith


Jan. 27, 2004

MINAS TIRITH (AP) – The city of Minas Tirith has been abuzz today over the news that 'The Lord of the Rings: the Return of the King,' while receiving 11 nominations including Best Picture and Best Director, did not receive any nominations for acting.


"Eleven nominations?" said Pippin Took, of the Shire. "Well, that's good news."


His friend Meriadoc Brandybuck responded by swatting him over the head with the newspaper and protesting, "But the cast is a part of this movie! Aren't they?"


Their kinsman Frodo Baggins shared Brandybuck's dismay. Upon reading the list of nominations, Baggins commented with an ironic chuckle, "They've left out one of the chief characters: the cast. I want to hear more about them." Waxing solemn and soulful, he added, "The movie wouldn't have got far without the cast."


"You almost don't want to watch the awards ceremony," contributed Baggins' gardener and loyal valet, Samwise Gamgee, "because how can it be happy? How can the awards go right when so much bad has been nominated? Folks in that Academy had lots of chances of voting for these actors, only they didn't."


Legolas Greenleaf, of the Mirkwood realm, commented somewhat cryptically on the Academy's choices, "A red sun rises. Lame decisions have been made this night." When asked to clarify his opinion, he told reporters that he had not the heart, for the grief was still too near, and retired for a walk in the forest.


His companion, Gimli son of Gloin, had sharper remarks to make upon the chosen nominees. "Mystic River? What madness drew them there? You'll find more cheer in a graveyard!"


But wizard Gandalf the White urged a more optimistic approach. "Do not be too eager to deal out Oscars in judgement," he advised. "That is not for us to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the Oscars we are given."


Meanwhile, his colleague Saruman the formerly-White was in favor of retaliation against the Academy: "Too long have those peasants stood against us," Saruman said, referring to the Academy's failure to give any fantasy film the Best Picture Oscar yet. "Leave none alive! To war! There will be no dawn for film critics!"


Treebeard, of the Ents, told reporters after much deliberation and exchanging of long names, that he was in agreement with this proposed course of action. "There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery," he declared. "My business is with Beverly Hills tonight. With heads made of cotton candy and rock."


"I do not doubt their hearts," Eomer of Rohan conceded. "Only the size of their brains." He then returned to the task of loading up forty of his men and horses with toilet paper and Maps to the Stars' Homes, for a "secret midnight mission" that he regretted he could not give details about.


At least one individual, calling himself Smeagol, claimed to be making plans to steal the Oscar statuettes. "Oscar is sooo pretty, sooo golden," said Smeagol. "We will take the statuesss once the Hollywood snobses are dead! Ye-esss, precious!" He then quickly added, groveling at the feet of reporters, "No! No! We were only joking! Smeagol wouldn't hurt a fly! Nice movie industry." He crawled away before he could be questioned further.


Still others appeared not to care about the snub. Lady Eowyn of Rohan said with a shrug, "The women of this country learned long ago that those without Oscar nominations may still get dates to awards ceremonies. I fear neither critics nor fans." Lord Boromir, a native of Minas Tirith, dismissed the concerns, claiming, "Gondor has no actors. Gondor needs no actors."


But overall the mood was one of mild disgust. As Lord Aragorn put it to reporters, "The day may come when the Academy is able to find their ass with a flashlight. But this is not that day."
 

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Very funny but I have to say, it would have been funnier if it had some original lines in the spirit of the characters rather than just lines adapted from the movies.


And tell Eowyn that she'll always have me if she needs a date.
 

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Frodo Baggins is cool, but Johnny Depp's portrayal of Keith Richards in "Pirates of the Caribbean" deserves the Oscar.


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I think of all the great performances in the trilogy, Andy Serkis is the most under appreciated by everyone except the cast/crew. He truly deserves an oscar for his work as Gollum/Smeagol. But then the academy would really have to get with the times and we know that isn't going to happen.
 

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Maybe they should get Gollum to say something about it on the easter egg for the ROTK dvd (ala the MTV rant for 'Best Virtual Performance' on the TT).
 

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The last 2 lotr movies both won visual effects oscars. I guess they only thought Andy was a visual effect. I think the visual effects guys thanked Andy on both occasions.
 

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On reconsideration I think the academy should have put the fellowship actors together for a combined best acting oscar.
 

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No offense, but the acting in LOTR while not bad, is not nearly as good as the best performances of the year. In reality, they don't deserve any nominations.
 

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If *none* of his cast was worthy of even a nomination, its hard to justify PJ for best director. Give him his share of Best Adapted Screenplay maybe, but was his *direction* really that good?
 

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Yes, it was. He was one of the first if not the first director do to that "film the whole trilogy at the same time" thing. It was a huge risk for the movie companies to do this yet he pulled it out wonderfully. He had to direct multiple sets at multiple locations at the same time. They would video links and such to him from each local so he could set up the shot and review it from a different location.

From everything I have read everyone who worked with PJ said he was wonderful and was an encredibly hard worker and tried to be very true to the novels (not screen play).
 

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Yes it was, Sal, and if I wasn't on your ignore list you'd know that. Hmph.


Sean Astin AND Ian McKellan both deserved the supporting actor nomination. Andy Serkis too. Well he did for TTT anyway. Maybe not the others. This was a huge ensemble cast with a lot of powerful people, not really conducive to the types of performances that usually earn best actor nominations.
 

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Mr.Mike

Are you serious about Sean Astin? Andy Serkis maybe....


I'm not trying to be difficult but I think we are allowing our love of the film to cloud our judgment of fine acting.


I agree with Terrell.


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Eric,


It's one thing to say that PJ worked really hard on LOTR, did a great job, and deserves some sort of an Oscar. That doesn't mean he deserves the best director's Oscar.


Remember, he's up for three of them - producer, director and writer. Most of what you mention in your post falls into producing and writing, not directing. Also, note that technically, we are just discussing ROTK, not all three.
 

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Originally posted by Terrell
No offense, but the acting in LOTR while not bad, is not nearly as good as the best performances of the year. In reality, they don't deserve any nominations.
Bingo!
 

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Hah, someone said that Frodo had one expression, described as looking like "He just found out that, not only did he not make it into Harvard, but he is not allowed into the whole state of Massachusetts"
 

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This is as good a time and as good a place as any to post this...so here goes...


What the Academy all too often (and the public, taking its cue from it) regard as "great acting" is often just stunts and gimmicks: Dustin Hoffman in Rain Main (Pauline Kael described it as Hoffman banging on a single piano key for 2 1/2 hours); Robert DeNiro putting on 60lbs to play Jake LaMotta in Raging Bull; Geoffrey Rush in Shine. Accents, club foots, mental disabilities, physical transformations and cancer usually figure in the Academy choices.


Truly great acting is much more than mimickry and gimmickry: it's about the skill required to register subtle shifts in emotion as well as project the grand heights of the most searing emotions; it's about doing it invisibly but truthfully; it's about the instinct--unteachable, I'm afraid--to inhabit a role so that the years of technique dissolve unconsciously into the service of becoming that person at that moment in that situation.


Obviously the idiotic (think about it--Bill Murray competing against Sean Penn--aren't they both superb?) Oscar horse race is good fun; but let's never confuse whacked Academy choices with true quality--although there is occasional overlap (even though it seems practically accidental).


Final word on the Oscars and acting: Cary Grant never won one. QED.


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Ditto, Penman.


I would also say that Sean Astin and Andy Serkis deserve more recognition for their acting in these films. But you can't expect to, when they're part of an ensemble in a huge action-packed epic.
 

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Hitchcock never won best director.Neither did Welles.But Oliver Stone has two!
 

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in my opinion...... sean deserved a nomination...... but he would have not won.
 
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