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Has anyone heard anything about the Lutron RadioRA2 system? I'm currently looking at a home lighting control system and was considering the RadioRA system but hears they might be releasing a next generation. I have 15 windows that I want shades for and about 30 lighting loads.
 

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 http://www.cepro.com/article/lutron_..._home_control/

http://www.twice.com/article/339764-...ntref=hottopic

http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/CE...for_Less.shtml

http://www.hemagazine.com/lutron_rad...control_system


They all got the same press release.


Lutron's public site has nothing.


BUT - I took a shot in the dark, and came up with something:


ttp://radiora2.com/ - enjoy!


Edit - brochures and cut sheets for download available there


Edit#2 - I found the site before google did.



Edit #3 - NEW LUTRON RADIO RA2 WEBSITE - http://www.lutron.com/Products/Whole.../Overview.aspx
 

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Oh wow this is big.


We do a lot a small RadioRa installs, and this is going to make it incredibly easier to get people on board.

All the short commings we have to address when pitching the system are totally solved with Ra2.


I'm excited
 

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No details of any programming software on the website.
 

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Any word of reporting dim levels back to the controller?
 

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Originally Posted by BradKas /forum/post/17151707


Oh wow this is big.
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Yep!

But will this canibalize HW Wireless sales? I am at the limit of 64 on my HW wireless system, but this goes to 200. I had either 1) add a second proc ($1700) or 2) use Maestro timers on closets, etc. (which is what I did).


Yes, there a few less keypad options (still more than original RA) and no conditionals, but for the much lower cost, I probably could have made it work.


I still love my HW system though.


I wonder if this line will still be sold through distributor/online dealers like RA was or if it going to be more of a dealer only product.
 

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HomeWorks QS, a new HW wireless platform, is being announced at CEDIA.


I wonder how, and if, that will be integrated with HW4 and HW8.


Hey, how've you been, Dallas? I'm really greatful for all your help - I'm prob going with the RadioRa2 or HW4, paired with an HAI control (when HAI gets around to the integration).
 

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Originally Posted by herdfan /forum/post/17154191


But will this canibalize HW Wireless sales? I am at the limit of 64 on my HW wireless system, but this goes to 200. I had either 1) add a second proc ($1700) or 2) use Maestro timers on closets, etc. (which is what I did).


Yes, there a few less keypad options (still more than original RA) and no conditionals, but for the much lower cost, I probably could have made it work.


I still love my HW system though.


I wonder if this line will still be sold through distributor/online dealers like RA was or if it going to be more of a dealer only product.

From a business standpoint those were the second two things I also thought about (the first was that this opens up Ra to a whole new market). This is a very tricky proposition for Lutron:


1. Not cannibalizing the HW line. This may not be a huge concern for them as long as the dollars go to the RadioRa line. Competition is driving prices lower and they may be willing to take the hit.


2. Your distribution question is huge too. If anyone, even sparky (trade lingo for an electrician for those not familiar with the jargon) at your local electrical distributor can now sell RadioRa and it can handle 200+ switches, not only are they potentially cannibalizing the HW line, they may also alienate all of their HW dealers in the process.


Maybe that's why Lutron is suing Crestron - perhaps they figure a lot of dealers are about to move to Crestron
. Anyhow, it will be interesting to watch this unfold.
 

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Maybe a newbie kind of question but if you were to install this system, is there any way to control it with a blackberry or itouch? Thanks
 

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I did a little more research and found out that sparky wont have the software access for the system. To get the software with the RadioRA2 system the dealers will need to get certified.
 

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I think/hope HW4/8 will be compatible with HWQS with the addition of a new wireless link (HQ-REP-120?). Also to use QS shade panels with a new interface (HWI-QS96?)


I'm excited about the integrated dimmer for the seeTouch line, and the possible ability to use GrafikEye QS with my HomeWorks 4 system
 

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I think/hope HW4/8 will be compatible with HWQS with the addition of a new wireless link (HQ-REP-120?). Also to use QS shade panels with a new interface (HWI-QS96?)


I'm excited about the integrated dimmer for the seeTouch line, and the possible ability to use GrafikEye QS with my HomeWorks 4 system

From what i was told or at least understood at CEDIA, the HW-QS will have a completely different protocol. So no backward compatibility. I was also told that not to say that there will be some way that the HW processor could talk to the HW-QS processor (2 systems communicating) since they are ethernet based. You just can't put a HW dimmer on a HW-QS system/network. It will also have the same protocol as the Radio-Ra2 which will actually allow you to mix and match the products and they can all talk to each other. The big thing about the HW-QS is it will now have over 4000 addresses it can talk to in its system and is still geared towards the centralized lighting architecture. Also, the wireless processor (processor for wireless dimmers) goes from the big box that goes in the panel to a smaller processor about the size of a DVD drive (well maybe thicker a little bit but you get the point). Both the Radio Ra2 and HW-QS is programmable in the same software. So it would be somewhat equivelent to Crestron wired and Infinet... They both work on the same processor, just different means of talking to the actual devices. Also the retail pricing for RadioRa2 is very very competitive. Less than retail of RadioRa. They are marketing radioRa2 for homes says around 4000 sq ft and under. You may need homeworks feedback and more than 64 dimmers but the home is not quite the 10,000 sq ft. Homeworks will be geared towards the bigger homes as that would be the optimal solutions as now dimmers and switches are not the only devices on the network, there occupancy sensors, motion sensors, thermostats, and more (going green now). So Homeworks QS definitely has more "toys" in its line than the RadioRa2. Lastly the thing i really like about the RadioRa2 is no more that having to go to each dimmer/switch to set up or acquire by the main repeater. you do all the addressing via the PC. And you can't go to the local hardware store to get them. You still need to get thru a Lutron dealer. So the dealer issue is not really a problem. In fact, it may allow some dealers to move more product as now the market for controlled lighting has just gotten bigger since more people can afford RadioRa2 system which is lower than RadioRa.

Also for those who don't desire controlled lighting they have some nice "eco-maestro" dimmers that you can get at home depot to replace the maestro currently found there.

I'm pretty sure that's what the lutron rep said, he was talking a million miles a minute and it was very noisy there.

Hope this helps.
 

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From what i was told or at least understood at CEDIA, the HW-QS will have a completely different protocol. So no backward compatibility. I was also told that not to say that there will be some way that the HW processor could talk to the HW-QS processor (2 systems communicating) since they are ethernet based. You just can't put a HW dimmer on a HW-QS system/network. It will also have the same protocol as the Radio-Ra2 which will actually allow you to mix and match the products and they can all talk to each other. The big thing about the HW-QS is it will now have over 4000 addresses it can talk to in its system and is still geared towards the centralized lighting architecture. {..snip..}

That makes sense, but the several reps (both sales and tech) have told me that there would be a way to integrate GrafikEye QS with HomeWorks 4/8 in the future, so I'm hoping the future is now. I'm very excited about the HW-QS and RaRa2 processor lineups for customer installs, but they don't help me as a HW4 user
 

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Originally Posted by QQQ /forum/post/17155501


If anyone, even sparky (trade lingo for an electrician for those not familiar with the jargon) at your local electrical distributor can now sell RadioRa and it can handle 200+ switches, not only are they potentially cannibalizing the HW line, they may also alienate all of their HW dealers in the process.

From what I have read, HW is available to almost any sparky with a heartbeat.
 

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From what I have read, HW is available to almost any sparky with a heartbeat.

NO, thats not true

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Does anyone know when RadioRA2 will be available? It is out now?

Thank you

A soft start of some products will be available next month with the full release in January

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That makes sense, but the several reps (both sales and tech) have told me that there would be a way to integrate GrafikEye QS with HomeWorks 4/8 in the future, so I'm hoping the future is now. I'm very excited about the HW-QS and RaRa2 processor lineups for customer installs, but they don't help me as a HW4 user

When the new HW QS is released in April 2010
 

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When do we get the details of HW-QS? CES? HW Wireless QS didn't really seem all that 'rolled out', just an announcement of 'Clear Connect'. Yeah, I picked up the QS color brochure - not very detailed. I like the new LED switches and keypads, just no details of wired QS available.


Just for clarification, any RR2 QS connectivity? Hard to find this bit of info 'in print'. Julie J states emphatically that just because systems are 'Clear Connect' that they aren't necessarily compatible.


Anyone hear of QS pricing? Similar to current?


I'm trying to discover the faults of RR2, if anyone wants to share. It will be QS (wired + wireless combo) vs. RR2, for my own home, retrofit. Finding out all I can.
 
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