Since Blu-ray video quality vary A LOT from movie to movie, do you find yourself changing the settings based on how bad or good a movie looks? I'm wondering if some of the algos can "harm" a bad picture. Envy owners, any opinions on this?Envy PRO
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Thank you for the detailed and useful response.I have a NX9 and a Envy (Pro) , i also use a Paladin DCR lens and all i can say it is BRILJANT...
The result is stunning with an incredible depth in the picture, i've read many things about the Envy and Lumagen but i surtainly can't fault the Envy, it is superb and a impressive piece of kit for sure.
With the 3d lut calibration my installer did i've can tell it's the best picture i have ever seen and sometimes i feel myself as a kid in a candystore.
And it is still on beta firmware so in the future it must only be better and better although i don't think thats possible 😀
I don't know what they say about the Envy/NX9 in the HIFI forum that G-Rex is talking about but all i can tell you is that mine set is throwing an amazing picture.
My friend wants to watch Xanadu for her birthday, so i looked it up on eBay and someone wanted $159 for a blu-ray. I got it from our big chain record shop for $14.99.Since Blu-ray video quality vary A LOT from movie to movie, do you find yourself changing the settings based on how bad or good a movie looks? I'm wondering if some of the algos can "harm" a bad picture. Envy owners, any opinions on this?
I started watching Casino Royale from 1967 on BD, very very different quality compared to its 2006 cousin, and started wondering about this. There are so many amazing movies out there that will never get the level of restoration that Spartacus or Lawrence Of Arabia got for their 4k release.
(disgression: the Casino Royale (1967) BD prices are just silly on eBay, glad I got it when it came out, I never know when a title is going to end up cheap after a while, or if it's going to be rare and reach absurd prices)
Maybe we are reading different threads, but I am not seeing a lot of pot shots at Envy on the Radiance thread. I see one post from someone, and I've seen plenty of the same shots taken over year over the last year (probably more misinformation here then there).I am simply amazed at the continued shots this product is taking from the other VP crew. The only reason they got their perfectly/strategically timed FW update, was because of the release of the Envy. Tired of saying it, but competition is great for both products. No, this product is not in an infantile state, in fact far from it. The madVR software has been in development since (circa) 2009 and the following is huge on the PC forums, with over 3000 pages of comments on one thread alone! (Doom9.org thread).
The closed operating system is certainly a welcomed addition and is arguably new, as well as some aspects of the hardware, but that doesn't make it infantile, nor is it remotely unstable. This being a significantly more modern platform, with skies the limit growth potential (software AND hardware), ease of setup, automation, and being very user approachable is no doubt getting under the skin of many, especially when there is no longer the necessity of having a calibrator/set up professional on-call (and no I’m not talking about 3d LUT calibrations... so refrain from the snide comments stating so).
The Europeans love the Envy, and it’s only here that it is being challenged at every turn. It’s being challenged so much so, and the overflowing giddy promotion of the other really is taking on a pitchman feel. All I have to say, is the AVS VP thread/post direction and environment is driving me away from what once was in the running for my VP selection. It seems that on AVS, if you don‘t buy a Trinnov, a JVC projector, a K-scape, and the dominant “accepted” VP... the outsider companies/products and its customers get chastised. There is more than enough customers for both companies to be successful, so these posters really need to chill out, enjoy their product, and not wish the demise of the other.
I had a Lumagen for testing the last couple of weeks, and configuration (not to mix up with "ease of use") is much more complicated compared to the Envy.You can get a great picture out of the Lumagen with nearly zero effort and turning on some of the advanced features takes very little time or effort.
Yes, on my Envy i have"Contrast recovery" turned "OFF" ...it looks far far more natural. The HIGH option on Envy is much to aggressive ...@WGenzo
And I also saw that some of these contrast recovery options were too "aggressive" for my taste. Have you a big screen (and therefore are a bit on the low brightness side) ? I am asking because many people with low nit values seemed to prefer the more aggressive (stronger) contrast recovery settings. For me with quite a bright setup (150 nits) I did prefer the more conservative options.
I’m very sensitive to the natural look of the projected image, that’s why I turned off all the Sony’s bells and whistles because they looked detrimental.Yes, on my Envy i have"Contrast recovery" turned "OFF" ...it looks far far more natural. The HIGH option on Envy is much to aggressive ...
143" Scope screen with my Z1/RS4500, MED Laser gives me 75 nits... Even at lower nit levels HIGH is far to aggressive and harsh/un-natural for my taste...I’m very sensitive to the natural look of the projected image, that’s why I turned off all the Sony’s bells and whistles because they looked detrimental.
Probably, as Mori said, you have a fairly bright image?
Heh, I find that the lower the nits setup, the worse the artifacts are. On my 75 nit projector screen I can use the lowest least aggressive settings for contrast recovery in madVR, but on my 200 nit PC monitor I can use the higher more aggressive settings just fine without seeing bad artifacts.143" Scope screen with my Z1/RS4500, MED Laser gives me 75 nits... Even at lower nit levels HIGH is far to aggressive and harsh/un-natural for my taste...
This was my biggest issue with the Lumagen when I purchased initially, it was far from intuitive, to say the least, and the menus confusing. It certainly is not for the faint of heart, the average enthusiast is not going to breeze through any calibration. Now, when you do figure it out, it does provide a very accurate 3D lut. The calibration process was difficult enough that I nearly sold my Lumagen to be honest but in my situation, I had to tough it out as I did not have access to a calibrator. The Lumagen's key asset really was DTM, once this was added, it really nullified the negatives, made this product worth every penny. Now, this was the first DTM solution, this has been updated with a couple of new versions, unfortunately, my new theater is not ready so I haven't seen the results, as I have read, it's another level beyond what I have at present. DTM with the Lumagen was not overly difficult to set up, not quite plug and play, but also not too far off either.Although i agree with all the other points in your post, i disagree with this one:
I had a Lumagen for testing the last couple of weeks, and configuration (not to mix up with "ease of use") is much more complicated compared to the Envy.
What i´ve done with my Envy is setup DTM, adjust screen format, anamorphic lens setting, black bar detection and 3D-lut calibration.
This is done with the Envy in ten minutes (this is effort, duration is a bit longer because of the calibration process) without having to look into any documentation.
With the Lumagen, i managed to setup DTM to a state that i get a very pleasing image.
But i gave up on the rest because i quickly found that it would take me hours or even days to work into that.
I´m sure i´ll give it another try when time allows, but not this year...
This is also no bashing, but just personal experience. As you stated in your post regarding the maturity state of the two products (which i totally agree with) - this is reality.
I totally appreciate that the Lumagen is a complex and very mighty tool that needs some time to get familiar with. And as an integrator, i could actually be happy about a product that´s complicated to setup.
But as a potential buyer, you need to take into account that the Lumagen will either consume a lot of your time to set it up right yourself or you would need to pay some extra money to let a professional do it (of couse if you don´t get it set up as a favour for friends).