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Hey Frank:)

Welp! here we go ,time to find out if the upgrade repelant will work or not. I'm glad to see the same dac in place and the adjustabilty of the Audyssey app may just level the playing field as far as DRC ? I have two channels left over from my 8ch NuForce MCA 18 and 4 left over speakers I used for Atmos of which two could be used as wides. I think the repelants wearing off already :D Not many other options out there at the moment that hits all my needs and as much as I'd like to try something new , the 8805 is looking tempting. I'm now going to apply more repelant:eek::D
 

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Welp! here we go ,time to find out if the upgrade repelant will work or not. I'm glad to see the same dac in place and the adjustabilty of the Audyssey app may just level the playing field as far as DRC ? I have two channels left over from my 8ch NuForce MCA 18 and 4 left over speakers I used for Atmos of which two could be used as wides. I think the repelants wearing off already :D Not many other options out there at the moment that hits all my needs and as much as I'd like to try something new , the 8805 is looking tempting. I'm now going to apply more repelant:eek::D


Hi Jeff
I could go this way as I do have additional 2 speakers ( actually sitting there as front heights ) that I haven’t used but not sure. The Audyssey App ( Alebonau favourite ) looks interesting as it’s adjustable. Has the Audyssey improved in anyway ?
 

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I could go this way as I do have additional 2 speakers ( actually sitting there as front heights ) that I haven’t used but not sure. The Audyssey App ( Alebonau favourite ) looks interesting as it’s adjustable. Has the Audyssey improved in anyway ?
Al's gonna be in an uproar for sure! I'm guessing Audyssey's only real down fault was not enough flexibility, it has filters galore already and seeing the app pretty much solves that nagging don't touch the highs. I'd love to play around with it and see what it can do as I've always liked what it does as far as clarity to the lower frequencies but wish I had more control and from what I understand Pro didn't really do that?
 

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Al's gonna be in an uproar for sure! I'm guessing Audyssey's only real down fault was not enough flexibility, it has filters galore already and seeing the app pretty much solves that nagging don't touch the highs. I'd love to play around with it and see what it can do as I've always liked what it does as far as clarity to the lower frequencies but wish I had more control and from what I understand Pro didn't really do that?


Yes that’s what got me interested in it as well, the flexibility. I’ve got the pro sitting at home I’ve never needed to use anymore , because when I last did a comparison ( pro vs built in ) I noticed the XTZ results between the two was very similar.
 

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Al's gonna be in an uproar for sure! I'm guessing Audyssey's only real down fault was not enough flexibility, it has filters galore already and seeing the app pretty much solves that nagging don't touch the highs. I'd love to play around with it and see what it can do as I've always liked what it does as far as clarity to the lower frequencies but wish I had more control and from what I understand Pro didn't really do that?


Yes that’s what got me interested in it as well, the flexibility. I’ve got the pro sitting at home I’ve never needed to use anymore , because when I last did a comparison ( pro vs built in ) I noticed the XTZ results between the two was very similar.
 
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Christmas comes early.

I need to see full specifications. When will the AV8805 become available?
 
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For me, the competitor for this will be the Emotiva RMC-1, especially as I have one of the 40% off cards. However, I would really like to simplify my rack so the new Denon Flagship (AVR 8500) is in the mix. The early pages of the 8802 thread had a lot of pictures showing the very significant physical component differences between the 8802 and the 7702MkII. It's clear that the most discerning audiophile would consider the 8802 to be superior to the 7702MkII, even if to my ears in an ordinary Home Theater I could't hear the difference. Hence, the reason I went with the 7702MkII. From the photos, I don't see how Denon will be able to put 13(?) amps in the upcoming AVR 8500 with the processing circuitry of the 8805 in the same size box, so it will, of necessity, have a lot fewer components. I'm guessing that the current Denon Flagship Receiver (AVR 7702) has a processing section closer to the 7702MkII than the 8802 and so I suspect that the Denon 8500 will be similarly "downrezzed" from the AV8805. There is no information on whether a step-down 13-ch processor a la the 7702MkII is in the offing, but I wouldn't be surprised as the engineering will have been done for the AVR 8500. I've seen comment that for an ordinary sort of 12' x 14' Home Theater principally for multi-channel playback (and not 2-ch audio), the flagship receivers are good enough, as compared to full-on separates. Would anyone care to offer their thoughts on this?
 

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For me, the competitor for this will be the Emotiva RMC-1, especially as I have one of the 40% off cards. However, I would really like to simplify my rack so the new Denon Flagship (AVR 8500) is in the mix. The early pages of the 8802 thread had a lot of pictures showing the very significant physical component differences between the 8802 and the 7702MkII. It's clear that the most discerning audiophile would consider the 8802 to be superior to the 7702MkII, even if to my ears in an ordinary Home Theater I could't hear the difference. Hence, the reason I went with the 7702MkII. From the photos, I don't see how Denon will be able to put 13(?) amps in the upcoming AVR 8500 with the processing circuitry of the 8805 in the same size box, so it will, of necessity, have a lot fewer components. I'm guessing that the current Denon Flagship Receiver (AVR 7702) has a processing section closer to the 7702MkII than the 8802 and so I suspect that the Denon 8500 will be similarly "downrezzed" from the AV8805. There is no information on whether a step-down 13-ch processor a la the 7702MkII is in the offing, but I wouldn't be surprised as the engineering will have been done for the AVR 8500. I've seen comment that for an ordinary sort of 12' x 14' Home Theater principally for multi-channel playback (and not 2-ch audio), the flagship receivers are good enough, as compared to full-on separates. Would anyone care to offer their thoughts on this?
Nah ... the AV7702MKII is more akin to the Denon X4200W in both processing power and DAC while the flagship X7200WA is more akin to the AV8802A.
 

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From the photos, I don't see how Denon will be able to put 13(?) amps in the upcoming AVR 8500 with the processing circuitry of the 8805 in the same size box, so it will, of necessity, have a lot fewer components.
As I recall, the space occupied by the power amps in the AVR-X7200WA is the same space as is occupied by the discrete HDAM preamp circuit boards in the AV8802A. (HDAM circuit boards are not used in Denon equipment.) The two otherwise are identical. As a result, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the same physical layout is used for both the AVR-X8500H and the AV8805 since the only differences between them is expected to be the power amps and the HDAM circuits.
 
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As an 8802A owner and AVS member in good standing, I want to upgrade...just because that is what we do here on AVS. I am trying to justify to myself why I need this unit and not sure I can come up with something. I know it has the additional two channels I could use for Atmos (I already use 4..not sure 6 is that important to ME). The Audyssey app is somewhat exciting but I think that is coming to the 8802A via firmware update ? I don't need HDMI 2.1 as of today (assuming that makes it to this unit, I have not yet seen it advertised). What am I missing?

Somebody talk me into something here :)
 

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I've seen comment that for an ordinary sort of 12' x 14' Home Theater principally for multi-channel playback (and not 2-ch audio), the flagship receivers are good enough, as compared to full-on separates. Would anyone care to offer their thoughts on this?
Like so much in the high-fidelity AV market, "It depends."

Ignoring the emotional investment in knowing you have some of the best equipment available, there's at least one technical difference.

Standalone pre/pros have lower measured noise and distortion levels than the equivalent receivers. At least some of that noise presumably is being generated in the amplifier circuits and working its way from there into the receiver's preamps.

Over the past few years, I've seen several reports about a fixed background noise level in D+M equipment. It's less noticeable when low efficiency speakers (< 90 dB/w/m) and thus high trim levels (> 0dB) are used. Soundtracks are amplified substantially and mask that noise. It becomes more audible when low trim levels are set by Audyssey (close to -12dB) because high efficiency speakers (> 100 dB/w/m) are in use. Soundtrack audio isn't amplified as much and can't mask it as well.

As a result, using separates would probably be more appropriate than receivers when using high efficiency speakers.
 

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As an 8802A owner and AVS member in good standing, I want to upgrade...just because that is what we do here on AVS. I am trying to justify to myself why I need this unit and not sure I can come up with something. I know it has the additional two channels I could use for Atmos (I already use 4..not sure 6 is that important to ME). The Audyssey app is somewhat exciting but I think that is coming to the 8802A via firmware update ? I don't need HDMI 2.1 as of today (assuming that makes it to this unit, I have not yet seen it advertised). What am I missing?

Somebody talk me into something here :)
It will be impossible for the Audyssey app to work on the 8802A (or the 7702). That is because engineering used the RAM on the new DSP's that isn't on the 8802 DSP's.

Like last round, I plan on digging into what the board level differences are, and compare those differences to subjective SQ differences. We shall see....
 

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For me, the competitor for this will be the Emotiva RMC-1, especially as I have one of the 40% off cards. However, I would really like to simplify my rack so the new Denon Flagship (AVR 8500) is in the mix. The early pages of the 8802 thread had a lot of pictures showing the very significant physical component differences between the 8802 and the 7702MkII. It's clear that the most discerning audiophile would consider the 8802 to be superior to the 7702MkII, even if to my ears in an ordinary Home Theater I could't hear the difference. Hence, the reason I went with the 7702MkII. From the photos, I don't see how Denon will be able to put 13(?) amps in the upcoming AVR 8500 with the processing circuitry of the 8805 in the same size box, so it will, of necessity, have a lot fewer components. I'm guessing that the current Denon Flagship Receiver (AVR 7702) has a processing section closer to the 7702MkII than the 8802 and so I suspect that the Denon 8500 will be similarly "downrezzed" from the AV8805. There is no information on whether a step-down 13-ch processor a la the 7702MkII is in the offing, but I wouldn't be surprised as the engineering will have been done for the AVR 8500. I've seen comment that for an ordinary sort of 12' x 14' Home Theater principally for multi-channel playback (and not 2-ch audio), the flagship receivers are good enough, as compared to full-on separates. Would anyone care to offer their thoughts on this?
I see that you have Polk Audio speakers They are nice speakers. But I would not be buying a flagship processor with your speakers. I'd be staring at the 7704. It would be like putting a set of $4K tires on a Honda Accord Sport. I'm not making fun of the Honda, I own one. And since Polk Audio is now associated with Marantz via "Sound United", I was thinking about buying a set of Polks for a bedroom system.

Also, I listened to the Denon 7200 preouts (related to the 8802). It is a very good sounding preamp section. Sure, the 8805 will sound better with your speakers just as I will appreciate a pair of $4K tires on my Accord. But you would be lopsided in your spending.
 

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Balance in all things. Following the logic of @SteveH (who was responsible for all the great 8802/7702 comparison photos), I should take the Polk (albeit their hi -end) speakers as my baseline and match the other audio components to them in performance. I respect this opinion, as I am happy with the Polks in my HT. Per JD's response on processor power (first I've ever read on this comparison--thank you very much):
If AV7702 MkII > X4200W, and
AV8802A > X7200WA, then
AV7704 > X4400W All of these are 11.1

So, if I want 13.1 early next year, I must go to the flagship AV 8805 receiver or the X8500H (or RMC-1) and be out of balance with my speakers. If I want to stay in balance, but still have 13.1 ch of processing power; I'll have to wait for the replacement for the X6400W (or AV7705?), which might have 13.1 ch of processing? Following the usual D/M timing, these models would be announced mid-2018, or so.

This sounds like a reasonable plan, if I can fight off ungradeitis. Comments?
 

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well, you’ll need something to take your mind off Browns/Indians/Cavs.....and OSU looks to have an uphill climb to the playoffs. Might as well get a new toy.
Huge Buckeye Fan. I actually think they are in great shape if they win out. I have followed the BCS rankings long enough to know they NEVER stay steady. In 2014 they were ranked #14 in the first BCS poll of the season...so we are way ahead of schedule right now :) There will also be movement and loses by top 10 teams. IF they make it to the Big Ten Championship game and beat Wisconsin then I am 90% confident they will be in the playoff this year.

I am in Cincinnati so the Cleveland teams do nothing for me :)

It will be impossible for the Audyssey app to work on the 8802A (or the 7702). That is because engineering used the RAM on the new DSP's that isn't on the 8802 DSP's.

Like last round, I plan on digging into what the board level differences are, and compare those differences to subjective SQ differences. We shall see....
You are my crack dealer, I'm an easy sell :eek::D
 
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