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After researching the SVS subs I had pretty much made up my mind on getting either the SB12-Plus or the PC12-NSD. The reviews seem to be really good. However, my local BB Magnolia store just put the Martin Logan Abyss on sale for $799......a full $300 off the regular price. I haven't been able to hear the SVS subs but I did test run the ML and had no problems with what I heard. I just didn't want to spend the regular price on it. I'm hoping someone can chime in who can really speak to the quality of the SVS sub models I've mentioned in comparison to the ML Abyss.


My room size is 15x15x9 and is open to another room. Floor is carpeted, no wall treatment. I would say that nearly 100% is watching movies on this system. I like listening at a medium to loud level and would hope to get as close to 20Hz as possible, realizing though that these options aren't going to get that quite done.
 

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I think you would find the Abyss and the SB12 to be fairly comparable in performance. Both will get close to 20hz and are nice smaller subs, but neither will have much output capability down there. For a much more fun ride with movies, the PC12 is a much better choice.
 

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After researching the SVS subs I had pretty much made up my mind on getting either the SB12-Plus or the PC12-Plus. The reviews seem to be really good. However, my local BB Magnolia store just put the Martin Logan Abyss on sale for $799......a full $300 off the regular price. I haven't been able to hear the SVS subs but I did test run the ML and had no problems with what I heard. I just didn't want to spend the regular price on it. I'm hoping someone can chime in who can really speak to the quality of the SVS sub models I've mentioned in comparison to the ML Abyss.


My room size is 15x15x9 and is open to another room. Floor is carpeted, no wall treatment. I would say that nearly 100% is watching movies on this system. I like listening at a medium to loud level and would hope to get as close to 20Hz as possible, realizing though that these options aren't going to get that quite done.

Given that the SB-12 Plus and the Abyss are in a completly different size category (from the PC-12 PLus), you are comparing apples to oranges.


The PC-12 is a much better subwoofer for watching movies. It will really shake you up



Don't let the "sale price" of the Abyss cloud your decision.
 

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I think you would find the Abyss and the SB12 to be fairly comparable in performance. Both will get close to 20hz and are nice smaller subs, but neither will have much output capability down there. For a much more fun ride with movies, the PC12 is a much better choice.

Thanks, mojomike. You know, I actually mentioned the wrong PC12.....I actually meant the PC12-NSD. The PC12 is still right at a grand and I really don't want to spend that much on a sub. I've still read reviews where the PC12-NSD is a very good sub. I'm just not sure what I'll lose (if anything) by going to a lower wattage amp, yet lower rated frequency.


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Given that the SB-12 Plus and the Abyss are in a completly different size category (from the PC-12 PLus), you are comparing apples to oranges.


The PC-12 is a much better subwoofer for watching movies. It will really shake you up



Don't let the "sale price" of the Abyss cloud your decision.

Thanks, spyboy. Sorry, but as I mentioned above, I misspoke and it should be the PC12-NSD. I've read where that one is quite similar to the SB12-Plus which is why I was comparing them to the Abyss.


And, great point about the "sale price" of the Abyss.......
 

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mojomike.....I just received a response from SVS that pretty much echos what you said.....

"The PC12-NSD will have much more dynamic range and output in the deep bass than the SB12, and this will make a big difference for movies. Wattage doesn’t mean much in this case, the much larger ported sub has a huge efficiency advantage over the small sealed model, and can get much louder with fewer watts."


This just might the one I give the green light to. I've never owned a cylinder sub. This one seems like quite the solid sub for this price point.
 

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your room size is pretty big...i would actually suggest something bigger driver, at least a 15". Ive actually tested the Abyss and i can honestly say its a very nice sub but it wont give that kick for movies. If you can wait, i definitely would go wiht the Castle, by Epik. that is the sub u want for HT setups. dont let the site or frame of the sub fool you, its a monster.
 

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your room size is pretty big...i would actually suggest something bigger driver, at least a 15". Ive actually tested the Abyss and i can honestly say its a very nice sub but it wont give that kick for movies. If you can wait, i definitely would go wiht the Castle, by Epik. that is the sub u want for HT setups. dont let the site or frame of the sub fool you, its a monster.

If the OP wanted to spend over $1,000 there are any number of choices. He repeated several times that he meant the less expensive, and newly redesigned SVS PC-12, and not the PC-12 Plus for $450 more.


If he changes his mind and also wants to wait indefinitely for Epik to get parts to build its subs, the Castle would be a good choice. But, since he is talking $549 for the PC-12 NSD, that will give him what he wants.


Remember his original choices were te Abyss and the SB-12 Plus.
 

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If the OP wanted to spend over $1,000 there are any number of choices. He repeated several times that he meant the less expensive, and newly redesigned SVS PC-12, and not the PC-12 Plus for $450 more.


If he changes his mind and also wants to wait indefinitely for Epik to get parts to build its subs, the Castle would be a good choice. But, since he is talking $549 for the PC-12 NSD, that will give him what he wants.


Remember his original choices were te Abyss and the SB-12 Plus.

didnt realized his budget was this low. I thought he mentioned the 800 mark...abyss from what i remember was over 1ks so i thought he was into that figure...anyhow, good luck.
 

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Actually, the cubic feet for my room is right about in line with the SVS subs I've considered. I've had an older 15" 500 watt DefTech in this room and it was definitely more than enough until it recently went south and died. And, I'd love to spend $1k+ but it's not in the cards right now so I've got to do the best I can at this lower price point.


As such, I've gone ahead and pulled the trigger today on the PC12-NSD. The user reviews are astounding and along with the quick email responses from SVS as well as the information gained on this forum, it's made this an easy decision. I'm anxious to get pounding so hopefully I'll see it by this weekend.
 

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For what it is worth, I had (past tense) three subs to compare at the same time. The SVS SB12Plus, Velodyne SPL1000R, and the Abyss. After listening to music and movies I kept the Abyss. Tactile, quick and accurate. The other two matched or exceeded max output but with more rumble. The ML gave me the best middle ground, now on sale I have 2!
 
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