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I just switched from a Polk Audio 10" sub to the Martin Logan 12" Abyss. I was hoping for a little more "earth shaking" bass for the price. I bought it from Magnolia in Best Buy which has a 30 day return period. It seemed be the best sub they had at the time. I am a little hesitant to buy from online retailers only as if something is wrong I have to pay for shipping an can be a pain in the arse. I paid $900 and I am working with a $1000 budget.


Does anyone have any experience with the sub.


I have a 20' x 15' room that opens into the kitchen
 

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Subwoofers are very modular in their design, so if something is ever wrong with them, it usually is the driver, a fuse, or the amp, all of which can be easily replaced if you know how to use a screw driver. All the sub company would have to do is send you the defective part, which they obviously wouldn't charge you shipping for, and SVS and HSU are known for their quick handling of warranty issues. That's why so many of us feel comfortable buying from them.


I contact SVS and HSU research, and find out what they recommend for your room. I think you will find that their customer service is 10x better than what you will find at a Best Buy Magnolia.
 

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I just switched from a Polk Audio 10" sub to the Martin Logan 12" Abyss. I was hoping for a little more "earth shaking" bass for the price. I bought it from Magnolia in Best Buy which has a 30 day return period. It seemed be the best sub they had at the time. I am a little hesitant to buy from online retailers only as if something is wrong I have to pay for shipping an can be a pain in the arse. I paid $900 and I am working with a $1000 budget.


Does anyone have any experience with the sub.


I have a 20' x 15' room that opens into the kitchen

I have the Abyss' little brother, the Dynamo. I like it very much. Oh, the sound -- accurate, fast and tight. I only paid $350 for it. It appears that you paid full retail for the Abyss. For that kind of money, ID companies offer more value. The SVS SB12-plus is a great sub, according to the reviews I read (almost bought a b-stock last week). Also, consider Rocket sealed subs. Their UFW-12 b-stock is on sale for $800. Go sealed, always.
 

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I dont have the abyss,but do have the grotto which i think is a great sub for ht and especially for music.It does everything well and actually liked it better than the def.tech subs that i auditioned.Everyone raves about the hsu and svs subs,but cant help you there.
 

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Subwoofers are very modular in their design, so if something is ever wrong with them, it usually is the driver, a fuse, or the amp, all of which can be easily replaced if you know how to use a screw driver. All the sub company would have to do is send you the defective part, which they obviously wouldn't charge you shipping for, and SVS and HSU are known for their quick handling of warranty issues. That's why so many of us feel comfortable buying from them.


I contact SVS and HSU research, and find out what they recommend for your room. I think you will find that their customer service is 10x better than what you will find at a Best Buy Magnolia.


I doubt you've purchased anything from Magnolia HT. If you had, you'd see why Magnolia wins customer service awards year after year, and our mission statement says "near fanatical dedication to customer service." So, I disagree with you, I'd stick with something from Magnolia. We also offer support on all MHT products in conjunction with the mfr warranty, including the ML sub line.
 

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I doubt you've purchased anything from Magnolia HT. If you had, you'd see why Magnolia wins customer service awards year after year, and our mission statement says "near fanatical dedication to customer service." So, I disagree with you, I'd stick with something from Magnolia. We also offer support on all MHT products in conjunction with the mfr warranty, including the ML sub line.

LMAO!


Okay, if you say so.



Why don't you guys be fanatical about selling some real subwoofers instead of those fart boxes?
 

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I had the Abyss for a couple weeks before I took it back. Though it sounded very nice I didn't think it was worth $900, especially considering ID offerings. I recently purchased the SB12+ instead and have been very pleased. For $200 less, the SVS sounds just as musical (low distortion) has more headroom for when you want to go nuts. Since you have a large room, you might want to consider some of the larger ID subs (svs 12nsd or hsu 3.3 or 2.3). I have a 2000 ft^3 room with an opening to another 1000ft^3 and I found that near field placement (~4-5 ft away) well compensates for the size of the room. Unfortunately I didn't own both simultaneously and I spent way more time tweaking the placement of the SVS, so take what I say with a grain of salt.


Both SVS and Hsu provide excellent customer service. I would even say shockingly good. I've also had very good experiences at Magnolia. Of course all sales reps have to pay the bills, so inevitably some will push their products with a careless disregard for unbiased information. Shopping around and reading internet forums helps in this regard.
 

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jayselle,


Seems like your main desire is simply more bass impact [output]. You didn't seem to indicate that you didn't like the overall sound of the sub? or maybe you didn't like that as well? Care to elaborate?

Also subs are very sensitive to room placement, did you go through a placement set up test? It can have a major influence on the in room response.


I have an Abyss. It suits my set up and my preferences very well. I also bought mine at Magnolia (whose saleman called me a week later to ask how everything was going with my purchases) my 5.1 system (See my profile ) is used primarily for 2.1 music, where I have the sub gain at #3. When I view a dynamic thriller/action movie I set it at #3.5 (any more and that is too much.) my room is similar to yours: 14 x 19ft which has an opening to a kitchen.


When I first purchased the Abyss I ran it alone without any other speakers and played a CD, based on what I heard, the Abyss is far from a one note sub. It's sealed design helps it be very musical and tight. I have it crossed over at 80Hz with my AVR bass management (the sub xover is set to the highest #). Out of curiousity/neighborhood sensitivity I've also checked how well it pressurizes my room during movies and CDs by going outside of my house.....there was a great deal of bass eminating from the house at around 10-15ft away. At that time the receiver level was set around -15db. So in my set-up the Abyss has impact. You mention "earth shaking." Mine shakes considerably, but I never set it to do so or listen at those levels.


It is well written that HSU subs can rattle you and your room/apt/house. Velodyne's will as well. JL subs being at/near the top for that.


FYI: you probably already read this Abyss AVS thread , where a home theater specialist had good words....


last note (rockemsockem) Magnolia sells REL subs as well (another non-one-note sub)
 

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If anybody else has questions about Magnolia's product lines, go to magnolia's website. Nobody with any kind of high end home theater experience can call REL, ML, Def Tech, Klipsche Reference, or Vienna Acoustics "Fart Boxes." At least no one would who had any sense.
 

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I know REL makes good subs.


BTW, the in-store Magnolia's are NOT high end. They are mid-fi at best MrGaryFish, sorry to burst your bubble.


Now the original Magnolia Hi-fi, before it was purchased by BB and watered down, was a quality outfit, but I don' t buy expensive Hifi gear to impress my friend's with how much money I spent. I would rather impress them with sound quality, if I even cared about that kind of thing.
 

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Thanks for the responses. I liked the sound of the Abyss and was certainly a step up over my 10" Polk but not the kind of output I was looking for from $900. I returned it and have decided to go with either the HSU V3M3 or SVS NSD12.
 

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I have the Abyss' little brother, the Dynamo. I like it very much. Oh, the sound -- accurate, fast and tight. I only paid $350 for it. It appears that you paid full retail for the Abyss. For that kind of money, ID companies offer more value. The SVS SB12-plus is a great sub, according to the reviews I read (almost bought a b-stock last week). Also, consider Rocket sealed subs. Their UFW-12 b-stock is on sale for $800. Go sealed, always.

Where did you get your Dynamo at that price? Thanks.
 
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