Don, I did a test with Gopro in Edius--using the 3D subfile that is created from L/R videos, and I must say, the difference is minor. In fact, you save the intermediate render so the images are cleaner. I don't want to muddy your waters, but the Edius Pro 7 trial is 30 days and you get the full app. You might try it, and see what you think. That said, if you really have a crazy walking video like my gopro videos walking down the driveway, or to avoid wing flapping on extreme wide angle, then Mercalli is better.
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Barry- The GoPro, as I see from Bob's and many other owner's video with the GP3, the CMOS problem is pervasive. So much so that my son in law who loves his GP suffers with it and I have volunteered to do correction for him with Mercalli. I continue to use it for all my sources now. As you know I'm most excited with the ability to use it for the steadicam look when walking over rough terrain such as the Darwin Falls hike using the Z10K. I just finished correcting video shot in Belize where it was all handheld and using "Rock Steady" Vibrations wobble with avoid Border settings and it looks near tripod settings. If I don't use the vibrations wobble correction ( aka CMOS fix) the video will have horizontal lines vibrate like a plucked guitar string, even with the Z10K and the TD10 clips.
Now, about the competitor, Edius. If I did bring that tool in, I cannot see me going back to grade school as an editor, starting all over again. After 15 years working with Vegas Pro and it's Sonic Foundry predecessor, even teaching it to student editors who worked for my company, I don't want to give up all the years of training and experience. Frankly, I see those who do embrace it have little advanced editing experience with Vegas, the original 3D editor, or are experienced editors but had an incentive because Vegas didn't support their favored camcorder, the JVC TD1. Edius offered them a much better way than dealing with all the convoluted pre processing. So, for that advantage, they made the choice and began the learning curve. I don't have that incentive. I may check out the trial Bob suggested for this split L/R and use edius as a utility, but there will have to be some major game changer with Vegas Pro for me to switch to Edius. Sorry, Barry, you won't be earning your commission from a sale to me on this one. 15 years of experience with Vegas Pro is too much to lose.
You know it wasn't too many years ago that my peers were all trying to get me to buy Avid. Then a half dozen years later, to get with the real editors and go Final Cut Pro. OK, I did try FCP at the pro level and put $5000 into an FCP system. I tried to learn it and discovered it was so isolated in the APPLE world, I had too many problems in my story board that even the experts told me I needed to adjust the story so FCP could handle the editing. I hired an FCP editor who came with great resume and ended up firing him as a complete hack 6 weeks later after he cost me a client. He blamed it on the client's complex story. I did recover by starting all over on Vegas Pro and finished the project in a week. I sold the computer and FCP package to some newby wanting to go into business but insisted using a Mac and FCP because he was a PC hater. He closed his business after only one year. The point is, I have tried the competitors and they don't have the flexibility for MY needs that Vegas Pro does. VP is not perfect, but it keeps getting better.
You know, maybe a letter to Mercalli programmers would be in order asking them to support 3D m2ts files. That would solve the problem.
Now, about the competitor, Edius. If I did bring that tool in, I cannot see me going back to grade school as an editor, starting all over again. After 15 years working with Vegas Pro and it's Sonic Foundry predecessor, even teaching it to student editors who worked for my company, I don't want to give up all the years of training and experience. Frankly, I see those who do embrace it have little advanced editing experience with Vegas, the original 3D editor, or are experienced editors but had an incentive because Vegas didn't support their favored camcorder, the JVC TD1. Edius offered them a much better way than dealing with all the convoluted pre processing. So, for that advantage, they made the choice and began the learning curve. I don't have that incentive. I may check out the trial Bob suggested for this split L/R and use edius as a utility, but there will have to be some major game changer with Vegas Pro for me to switch to Edius. Sorry, Barry, you won't be earning your commission from a sale to me on this one. 15 years of experience with Vegas Pro is too much to lose.
You know it wasn't too many years ago that my peers were all trying to get me to buy Avid. Then a half dozen years later, to get with the real editors and go Final Cut Pro. OK, I did try FCP at the pro level and put $5000 into an FCP system. I tried to learn it and discovered it was so isolated in the APPLE world, I had too many problems in my story board that even the experts told me I needed to adjust the story so FCP could handle the editing. I hired an FCP editor who came with great resume and ended up firing him as a complete hack 6 weeks later after he cost me a client. He blamed it on the client's complex story. I did recover by starting all over on Vegas Pro and finished the project in a week. I sold the computer and FCP package to some newby wanting to go into business but insisted using a Mac and FCP because he was a PC hater. He closed his business after only one year. The point is, I have tried the competitors and they don't have the flexibility for MY needs that Vegas Pro does. VP is not perfect, but it keeps getting better.
You know, maybe a letter to Mercalli programmers would be in order asking them to support 3D m2ts files. That would solve the problem.
Well, I'm not against buying Edius if I think it can be used for something really necessary, like I do with PD13 using it for just authoring 3D menus when I want to make a 3D BD. It basically replaces my DVD Architect which I haven't used in several years.
But I repeat, I can't see myself using it as a basic editor. Too much invested in Vegas Pro. And just because we're retired, I know I don't have all that free time on my hands. We continue to joke around here that we can't figure out how we ever had any time to work a job as we're so busy with retirement projects, travel, and keeping the passive income flowing.
Besides, buying Apple watches for us is higher on the priority list next month than buying Edius. So I better get back to work, or play, or whatever you want to call it.
Back OT- I scrapped the Mercalli rock stable setting for the latest YT video, Altun Ha, since it didn't look right. Reverted back to a lessor stable setting and then benefited with wider angle scenes and less crop. Basically I used Mercalli for correcting image blurs on the pans. I do spend more time experimenting with Mercalli than I would like. If I can free up some time I really should take Bob's suggestion and try a trial run. BUT, I now have a video that has a bunch of left right left minor pans, back like handheld look. It was a trade-off. I did use a monopod so the vertical movement was non existent at least.
Meanwhile, Thanks Wolfgang for the idea on scripts. I forgot all about Vegas scripts. I'll do some research in that direction. But, last I tried Vegas stabilize it was nowhere near as good as Mercalli. Worked much like the crap they do on You Tube. Plus, I really like how Mercalli fixes the SMOS errors on pans and tilts. The video never goes out of focus on pans and tilts with Mercalli. ( Wobble / Vibrations correction setting) Everytime I try a test without it, I always end up going back to it even though it adds greatly to rendering analysis time.
But I repeat, I can't see myself using it as a basic editor. Too much invested in Vegas Pro. And just because we're retired, I know I don't have all that free time on my hands. We continue to joke around here that we can't figure out how we ever had any time to work a job as we're so busy with retirement projects, travel, and keeping the passive income flowing.
Besides, buying Apple watches for us is higher on the priority list next month than buying Edius.
So I better get back to work, or play, or whatever you want to call it. Back OT- I scrapped the Mercalli rock stable setting for the latest YT video, Altun Ha, since it didn't look right. Reverted back to a lessor stable setting and then benefited with wider angle scenes and less crop. Basically I used Mercalli for correcting image blurs on the pans. I do spend more time experimenting with Mercalli than I would like. If I can free up some time I really should take Bob's suggestion and try a trial run. BUT, I now have a video that has a bunch of left right left minor pans, back like handheld look. It was a trade-off. I did use a monopod so the vertical movement was non existent at least.
Meanwhile, Thanks Wolfgang for the idea on scripts. I forgot all about Vegas scripts. I'll do some research in that direction. But, last I tried Vegas stabilize it was nowhere near as good as Mercalli. Worked much like the crap they do on You Tube. Plus, I really like how Mercalli fixes the SMOS errors on pans and tilts. The video never goes out of focus on pans and tilts with Mercalli. ( Wobble / Vibrations correction setting) Everytime I try a test without it, I always end up going back to it even though it adds greatly to rendering analysis time.
I have the JVC specific version of this program from Pixela. It comes free with the JVC HMZ1 camcorder and works only with its clips. It does a great job of splitting left/right pairs quickly and with virtually no loss of quality. Unfortunately, this software without the camera is $800.
The much cheaper choice is MVC to AVI. I used it in my early days of editing 3D.
Of course, there's Edius, which also works well but takes a lot longer.
Looks kind of interesting. A bit vague on 3D. It mentions SBS but doesn't say if full or half frame. No mention of any MVC or any other muxed options. It would be nice to have more info about all this. It does have a free trial so maybe worth a look. It does appear to be real Quick Sync friendly. Would you like to volunteer to be our guinea pig here and report back?
Good Evening
The VMC Magix file is identical to the Sony TD10 files (.m2ts multistream).
This is not an MVC same file in Vegas
Blu ray menu is 2D and the introduction movie
Best Regards
Jacques
See PJ
The VMC Magix file is identical to the Sony TD10 files (.m2ts multistream).
This is not an MVC same file in Vegas
Blu ray menu is 2D and the introduction movie
Best Regards
Jacques
See PJ
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