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It will be interesting to see if their reputation for poor security hurts them.
 

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Agreed....but like I said, Microsoft has a bad reputation -- realities aside.
 

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Well, either way, this will mean a new machine at home. I doubt if any current DVD player design has the CPU power to play WM9 material, even with upgraded software.


Given that, I'd much rather buy a blue laser machine capable of far higher data transfer rates and data amounts. Possibly WM9 or something like it could even be used to compress the contents of said blue laser machine, but then we'd at least have a great deal of space on the discs for material.
 

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Well, either way, this will mean a new machine at home. I doubt if any current DVD player design has the CPU power to play WM9 material, even with upgraded software.


Given that, I'd much rather buy a blue laser machine capable of far higher data transfer rates and data amounts.
Is it the space or the cost of the extra machine that bothers you? I talked to someone from Microsoft who thought that the initial WM9 stand-alone players would be sold for $199. He said that they unfortunately missed this Christmas season. Maybe we will see them at CES. I don't expect a blue laser machine to get under $500 for quite some time and not under $999 even at the first release where there are movies for it and it is widely available. Of course, enough competition from WM9 players could get Sony to push their prices down faster.


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Someone slightly unusualy (kodak? or one of the other photo cos?) announced a WM9 compatible DVD player a while back...it never materialized to my knowledge, though it was supposed to have a pretty low price if I recall correctly, like a few hundred $


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Someone slightly unusualy (kodak? or one of the other photo cos?) announced a WM9 compatible DVD player a while back...it never materialized to my knowledge, though it was supposed to have a pretty low price if I recall correctly, like a few hundred $
That was Equator making a machine for Polariod. They were at CES, but I didn't see them at CEDIA. I'm not sure of the status of that particular machine, but it sounds like there will be multiple WM9 players within 6 months.


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And the magic that makes it work will be purpose-built silicon, probably some programmable DSP... The horsepower is tricky under Windows / Intel, but obviously inexpensive when it's the right chip.


Microsoft has won nothing, so far, but some mindshare.


I still am in the blue + WM9 / MPEG-4 / H.264 / whatever camp. We get maginificent picture quality and all the bits we need for extras and such.


If red wins, the capacity of the disks will be constrained to the 9GB level, which is a downer to me and a lot of DVD fans, I think.
 

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Well it certainlly shows that Microsoft is playing hardball on this. They are taking a giant step forward to get their standard in as the mainstream solution.


The other players including Sony don't appear quick enough and might be playing catch up.


Looks like broadcasting might be in Microsoft's bag already and video on demand is going to be one of the fastest growing areas for movie viewing. In fact, video on demand might crush the potential high def dvd market before it starts as the release of high definition dvd is still too far away.
 

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Logically if they can get the broadcasting angle in thier pocket it gives HUGE leverage to push for physical distribution also...
 

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I don't mean to be stupid here, but how are they going to get broadcasting in their pocket? There is not an HD-capable set-top box currently available or even remotely conceived of that will decode WM9. OTA HDTV is going to be MPEG-2 for decades.


Webcasting, fine. But broadcasting? Not unless they get DirecTV, Dish or a cable company to make this switch very, very soon -- which is not feeling exceptionally likely.
 

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Broadcasting wants to save bandwidth...


Globally HD standards are clearly not set and current user base extreemely small. Just because the STB's sold now use MPEG2 does not mean new services need to, basically th service providers each have unique STB's anyway, whats to stop them using a WMP9 STB approach ??
 

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It's worse than that. Even if the STB was there, DTV or E* cannot turn off HD for their existing customers, so they'd have to use yet still more transponders to broadcast this special WM9 format, for the few folks who had a box that could handle it. How likely is that? Yeh it takes less space than MPEG2 channels, but not so much less that it's going to make any difference in this case. It would still probably take 10Mb/s data rates to provide WM9 HD channels, if not more for the cooked quality of the samples people have seen on their PCs. If someone were creating a new sat service, it might make sense, but in the current situation, basically every existing HD customer would have to subscribe to the new channels and dump the old ones, to make it worth doing from the perspective of the sat folks.


[Ooops, Phreddy and I posted at the same time, so I was responded to rogo, not him.]
 

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Given the lead time it takes to set up the infrastructure for a new sat service, and this assumes that anyone would think it's a good business venture to start a new one which is kind of doubtful (right?), it would be at least a few years before any new service might come along and use them, I'd think. So it's not like it's going to happen any time soon, and by that time, the whole HD-DVD thing will have happened and I'd bet that whatever they adopt would be adopted by any new sat service (as long as there aren't too many legal entanglements), since all of the issues that are going to have to be worked out for a new compressed format will only have to be worked out once for HD-DVD and the broadcast folks can just ride on their technical coattails.
 

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Whats to stop Europe adopting this standard ??? Or China ???


I could see a parrellel with GSM / ETACS type disparity quite easily.
 

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There are already reports from UK satellite specialist that the transponder which switched on last week testing the first HD sat broadcasts to europe has amongst others, a WM9 encoded stream.


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Well, WMV9 at 9 Mbps is as good if not better than D-Theater, and at 11, it trounces it. I don't know about real-time stuff like the future of broadcast because it took 27 hours to encode a 24 minute clip for us at CEDIA. However, it is early in the life of WMV and once chipsets are developed, who knows?


Joe Kane loves it. He was using it also for CEDIA with many of the tougher segments of Digital Video Essentials encoded for use with the new Samsung PJ.


I love it too. Right now the horsepower to play it back well is fairly high, but we are still dealing with software decoding. There are rumors that not too far off, ATI and Nvidia will be able to to hardware assist, and a complete chipset isn't far behind. Could unofficial (not DVD forum approved) HD DVD players be too far behind that?


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Dan, can you answer your own question? Will Marantz come out with one soon?
 
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