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Mini Devastator Build, with Clear Front Panels

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Now that I have these running in my theater, its time to do a writeup.

Thanks to @LTD02 for the devastator v1 design, and all the other amazing designs and help he gives here.
Thanks to @Red Five for the mini devastator design, along with many other devastator variants.

More devastator information can be found here:
The Devastator Index
The design and cut sheets for the mini can be found there as well.

I started by picking up the mdf at lowes. The cutsheets are designed around 2’x4’ sheets, so I had lowes break the 49”x97” sheets down on their track saw. 3 cuts per panel are free. I had them cut to 24 1/4”, so I could cut to exact dimensions on my table saw.

Step one: clean up shop and prepare for dustpocalypse. I prefer to cut mdf outside, but it was 20* and snowing.


Set up table saw to 24” and rip all 14 panels.






Here are the cutoffs, showing lowes’ cutting tolerance:

One sheet was slightly under 24, but not a problem since one sheet on the cut sheets isn’t used full width.

Now start cutting to length. My table saw is only good to 25”, so I used a circular saw for all longer cuts:


The first night, I finished all table saw and circular saw cuts. I cut 2 additional 28” long 1.5” strips and one 24” long per box, to use for window mounting. In hindsight, I should have used 2” strips because I used 2.5” screws.


One modification to the cut sheets: I would add another 1/4” to the side panel length. This would have made the finishing process much easier.

Use a miter saw to cut all 1.5” strips and 2x4’s to length. Could be used for horn rails as well.


Now I have two mini-devastator flat packs:


Time for some router work. First, cut the driver mounting hole in the baffle.


Since I’m putting the front window on, lets add a 3/8 roundover:


Use the driver to mark mounting hole locations. I really like threaded inserts for driver mounting. Plus, I can install them blind in this case for a perfectly smooth baffle face. Drill the blind holes using a drill collar, or since I couldn’t find mine, electrical tape wrapped around the bit to mark depth. Recess holes slightly with a large bit spun in reverse.

I like to install the inserts with jb weld as added insurance:


I test mounted driver to see how roundover would look:


Now for the horn rail clearance. I cut them for 1” clearance. I marked out the cut, and cut slightly small with a jig saw. Then I used scrap pieces of mdf clamped on to make a perfectly square template. I used a top bearing flush trim bit in the router. After the first one, I used it as the template for the other three.

Add 3/8 roundovers to both sides:

I also added 1/8 roundovers to both sides of the top.

Now for the window mounting rails. I started by putting a 1.25 radius on the bottom corner of each. Then used a 3/8 roundover on the bottom and a 1/8 roundover on the top.

I also ran the roundovers on the 24” chunks for the top, will be cut to length later.
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Assembly time:
Using PL 3X and a brad nailer with 1.25” brads.

I started with the horn rails to the baffle. I had cut a bunch of extra 1.5” strips, and I cut a pile to 7.5” to use as spacers to get the rails set up right.

To glue up, I flipped the whole assembly over so I could brad from the back.

I wiped the glue off all visible interior seams, not sure if this was good or bad for ease of finishing.


Assemble port rails, same process. I added a 1/8” roundover to the fronts of the rails.


I squared up and glued the top to the side panel. Then the hardest step of the assembly, getting the baffle attached square and in correct position without the front panel in place.

I had marked outsides of board locations on the inside of the cab, and centers on the outside for brad locations.

Add the port assembly:

I figured out that my 36” Harbor Freight clamps work for this if you remove the stop pins. One on the top and one at the front of each port rail. I couldn’t get angled brads to work.

Mask off glue surfaces and paint inside of port and inside of bottom board:


Glue on bottom board:


Glue on side panel:


Flip face down and add bracing:

I learned that its really hard to compress the pl without the ability to clamp. I lightly tapped the braces into place with a deadblow hammer. Pocket screws would probably work well.

Add port board:


Add port rails:


Add vertical 2x4’s:


Add remaining 2x4 braces:

There’s nothing to hold up the two lower braces, so I added some chunks of scrap mdf to set height.

Add back board:


Not pictured: glue bracing to hatch.

Flip cabinet over and add window mounting rails:


Congratulations, the boxes are complete.
Let dry for 24 hours minimum.
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Here’s a quick tutorial on box finishing the easiest way I’ve found.

Scrape dried glue:

Make sure to get all of it where the flush trim bearing will ride.

Use router with flush trim bit to trim:


Sand it smooth. I use 120 grit.


Use bondo to fill holes and any seam not perfectly filled with glue:


Smooth and scrape with putty knife:


Let dry, then sand smooth. Repeat bondo and sanding as necessary.


Roundover edges with router:


Sand roundovers lightly. I use my orbital turned way down for edges, and hand sand the corners.


I’ve found that to be all thats necessary for duratex. However, priming and finish sanding may require less duratex for coverage. I plan to try it next build.
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Now for the rest of the finishing:

Lets start with the window. I used 1/2” polycarbonate. I ended up cutting it to 23 15/16 for fitment. The table saw with a sharp 40 tooth blade left a nice finish.

Mark out hole pattern. I checked it with washers to visualize the final product.


Drill holes to 1/8, pilot drill size for #10 cabinet screws I’m using. I start the hole slightly to establish position, then use a drill block to keep drill vertical.


Lay panel in place and drill pilot holes:


Remove panel and drill holes to final size. I used 7/32, but had to use a 3/16 intermediate bit as it was pulling in too aggressively. Chamfer holes slightly.
Use router to add 1/8 roundover to all edges top and bottom.
Here’s the test fit afterwards:


Now for the hatch panel:
Use same drilling and roundover process as the window.




Mark and pilot drill for cabinet feet. Don’t drill all the way through, these will be blind holes. I used 6 feet, 3” in from the corners. Last two centered, 3” in from edge.

Mark and pilot drill for terminal cup or speakon connector. I placed it centered between the top of the port and the 2x4 brace on the back of the cabinet. 4” up from the bottom of the cab.

I spray painted the inside of the horn flat black to make duratex coverage easier.


Now its time to duratex. I tried rolling duratex on the inside of the horn. It was a miserable failure. I did roll duratex successfully on the cabinet bottoms.
So I bought a Harbor Freight texture gun and put up some painters plastic. Switched to spraying the duratex.


I ended up using 2 gallons on these cabinets. The first gallon was roller grade, and sprayed chunkier than I prefer. The second gallon was spray grade, and went on very nicely, as designed.


Give the duratex at least 24hr to dry.

Add the threaded inserts for the cabinet feet:


Cut holes for terminal cups:


Add threaded inserts for terminal cups. (Unnecessary, but I like them)


Solder speaker wire to terminal cups:


Attach terminal cups:


Attach rubber feet. I used really short ones for screen clearance.


Carry these heavy and awkward boxes into theater.
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Final assembly:

Flip the box face down and add the driver. Attach speaker wire.


Add gasket for the hatch panel:


Add hatch panel and screw down:


I used these screws from Lowes. Decent black finish, #2 phillips head.


Flip the cabinet over and add gasket for window:


Remove protective coating from window, place on box, and screw down.


Flip up onto feet and move into place.


Repeat for second cab.


This design takes a ton of gasket tape. Closest I’ve ever come to running out without actually being short. (I had already cut the window pieces)


Set up crossovers and peq, and enjoy.

Here's the close mic sweep.


Red is measured,
Purple is model.
Both have 20hz 2nd order BW HPF


I had a fight to get these to integrate properly with my sealed subs. SI HT18’s in 4cf sealed. I don’t have the tools to properly measure phase, or to run advanced software like rePhase. So I fell back to the guess and check approach, and found some high order crossovers that mostly work.

Measurements taken with REW and UMIK, soundcard direct feed to minidsp bal. Mic at MLP, no EQ
Raw Data:
Green is Sealed HT18 with no filters
Blue is MiniDev with 20hz 2nd order Butterworth HPF
Red is Sum


I added an 8th order Butterworth HPF at 10hz and an 8th order Butterworth LPF at 120hz to the HT18.
Result:
Green is Sealed HT18
Blue is MiniDev with 20hz 2nd order Butterworth HPF
Red is Sum


The only cancelation I'm getting is at the peak of the Mini's output, where it will be EQ'd down anyway.

Well, this should conclude my writeup. If I’ve missed anything, or if you have additional questions, please feel free to ask. I will answer to the best of my ability.

Chris
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Wow. Very detailed. Nice job. I see the abandoned sonotubes lurking in the background. :)
Wow. Very detailed. Nice job. I see the abandoned sonotubes lurking in the background. :)


Thanks.
Only one of the sonotubes was lurking in the shop, the other one was in the theater for test fitment. (Yes, they really are huge indoors) And they hadn’t been abandoned yet at that point :D
Surprisingly the shop gave me a full refund on them yesterday even though they had cut them to length for me. Apparently 6 to 7 ft is a commonly needed size.
Now they morphed into this:

Sadly not for equal cost or weight.
Chris


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Once I have something better than Tapatalk this is going on the Index :) Great write up!
Once I have something better than Tapatalk this is going on the Index :) Great write up!


Thanks!
Chris


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!!!AMAZING!!!

build and write-up.

all the detailed work really paid off!

you may need to upgrade that center channel. might not be able to keep up with 2 devastators.

threaded inserts for the terminal cup. lol. :)
!!!AMAZING!!!



build and write-up.



all the detailed work really paid off!



you may need to upgrade that center channel. might not be able to keep up with 2 devastators.



threaded inserts for the terminal cup. lol. :)


Wow, thanks John!

Yeah, I’m happy with the center for now...
I have been eyeing the Beyma TPL-150H for a DIY build if necessary though.

Hey, the threaded inserts are really cheap when you buy em by the 100 on amazon.
“On a scale of one to “mounting terminal cups with threaded inserts”, how little do you trust screws in mdf?” :D

Thanks for answering all my submax questions as well.

Chris




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Looks amazing! Love the router work. Was that gasket tape just one roll of 50'? If so, I'm going to need to order another since I'm going with the V1.

@Rcris.
Looks amazing! Love the router work. Was that gasket tape just one roll of 50'? If so, I'm going to need to order another since I'm going with the V1.



@Rcris.


It was a 50’ roll, but I’ve used it for a few other installs. Just around speaker though, which doesn’t use much. I’d get a second roll. It’s cheap, and nothing wrong with having extra.
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[Snip]....if you have additional questions, please feel free to ask. I will answer to the best of my ability.

Chris
Listening impressions? Do they go BOOM?:D:D


Juju
Listening impressions? Do they go BOOM?:D:D


Juju


O yes, that they do. Ran just the mini’s (with a flat eq courtesy of REW) and the BOSS for a movie last night. Alita Battle Angel. I was quite pleased with the results. And the mini’s are clean enough that they’re showing some new room rattles.

I’m currently in over my head attempting to integrate them with the sealed subs though.

Chris


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O yes, that they do. Ran just the mini’s (with a flat eq courtesy of REW) and the BOSS for a movie last night. Alita Battle Angel. I was quite pleased with the results. And the mini’s are clean enough that they’re showing some new room rattles.

Nice.... looking forward to mine.... TWO LFE & 1 Mini..


I’m currently in over my head attempting to integrate them with the sealed subs though.

Chris


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You will work it out soon enough.....but you can always poke hole in those sealed boxes to make them play nice...:D:D


Juju
Nice.... looking forward to mine.... TWO LFE & 1 Mini..


You will work it out soon enough.....but you can always poke hole in those sealed boxes to make them play nice...:D:D


Juju


Should be a fun setup.

The sealed boxes are a tad small at 4cf. Lol.

EDIT: It did occur to me to build some mini marty endtables. But then I might just leave the ht18 in the sealed and try out some FI HT1 or HT3... NO! BAD! STOP!

Plus I want the subsonics. To me, the boss feels more realistic when theres pressurization along with it, even mild.

And I’m not convinced the devastator will integrate seamlessly with a ported either. Not sure what the resonator does to phase.


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Should be a fun setup.

The sealed boxes are a tad small at 4cf. Lol.

EDIT: It did occur to me to build some mini marty endtables. But then I might just leave the ht18 in the sealed and try out some FI HT1 or HT3... NO! BAD! STOP!

Plus I want the subsonics. To me, the boss feels more realistic when theres pressurization along with it, even mild.

And I’m not convinced the devastator will integrate seamlessly with a ported either. Not sure what the resonator does to phase.


Chris


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I can say that unfortunately I could not get it to integrate properly with my sub as I mentioned and it’s ported. Basically exact same issue as you are describing. I wish I would of saved the REW graphs to post. I wonder if the MBM will cause any issues? Not a huge deal for me as I plan to build the minis the go with my BMD and they have the same tune so should be perfect.
I can say that unfortunately I could not get it to integrate properly with my sub as I mentioned and it’s ported. Basically exact same issue as you are describing. I wish I would of saved the REW graphs to post. I wonder if the MBM will cause any issues? Not a huge deal for me as I plan to build the minis the go with my BMD and they have the same tune so should be perfect.

I know you said you had integration issues, I didn’t realize it was a ported sub. What was the port tune?
It would have been interesting to see the REW graphs.
I did get my sealed to integrate well enough to be worth running. I’ll add the results to the final build post.


Great job! It looks fantastic!!


Thanks!

Chris


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