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Does anyone have a copy of Mitsubishi's statement regarding the Promise Module? With DVD players that only upconvert via HDMI and Blu-Ray and HD-DVD having the flag for analog, I think it's time I file a false advertising claim with the Federal Trade Commission.


I am also actively seeking a technology lawyer to file a class action lawsuit against Mits.


Any information you can provide would be fantastic.


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What the hell are you talking about??
 

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I thought the Promise Module (like from 4 years ago) was to provide - originally at no cost - the digital turners to the HD "ready" TV's that did not have the tuners. Then when Mit's finally came out with it, about 2 years late, they wanted about $1,000 for it, to attach a digital tuner to the back of the TV set. Of course most folks recognized you could buy a Samsung digital tuner STB for about $250 at the time.
 

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The Promise Module was, in fact, a product, but I'm more specifically looking for the statement that Mits released in their product brochures, collateral, etc. It stated something like they "promised to release new technology hardware" for their HDTV's if it were to become outdated in the "near future". I'm looking for the exact wording or a copy of the advertised statement.


They released this type of statement to get people to purchase their HDTV's during a time when consumers thought they would be out-dated quickly. It was a false reassuranceto their potential customers that they would support future technologies. Well, DVI came about. HDMI came about. And Mits NEVER came out with an upgrade board to accept these digital formats. And they refuse to do so.


So, I can't, LEGALLY, get DVD upconverted to HD nor can I get full-res HD (using component outputs) from a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player if a AACS flag is enabled.


The very next year, after I purchase my Mits, the new models had DVI inputs. You could argue that I should have known better, but I had done a LOT of research concerning HDTVs and I was "baited and switched" (by false advertising) into believing that I wouldn't have to worry about near future technologies. And if you think I'm alone, do a search. I'm not.
 

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Chet,


I know exactly what you're talking about. There was a lot of heartburn over the "promise".


I think you'll find yourself in the position of having to prove that that you can't get 1080i over component and even then argue the phrase "near future". What exactly is "near future"?


I think you're fighting a loosing battle. Save your energy for something more productive like finding the best coffee. (that would be me) lol
 

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I did not purchase a Mits set in 2000 despite the "Promise Module" and instead went with a Toshiba with the "DVI Upgradeable" promise. Both seem to have not panned out well (although Toshiba says I can get DVI with HDCP, they are just outta parts right now, whatever that means). I would fight the cause because I vividly remember Mitsubishi making claims about future compatability and not being left without access to the latest High Def material. I don't recall it solely being about internal tuners (which few if any had). They promised and failed to deliver.
 

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You know, the best way to register your dissatisfaction with Mitsu is to NEVER buy a Mitsu TV again. That's what I'm doing; they could have a frickin holographic VR tv set and I wouldn't buy it . My outmoded Mitsu HD set is already two televisons past.
 

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You may want to go over to The Home Theater Spot Forum. They have a huge Mitsubishi Forum and alot of Mits owners who were upset over the Promise Module. I bought a Mits 46805 RP HDTV in Dec. 1999, my first. I remember Mits stating that the TV was upgradable to future formats. There is a member there who is ISF trained who is working on a module that has a DVI input that will hook-up to older Mits models. I would check out Home Theater Spot.
 

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Something else that might be of interest to you.


All digital connections are not created equal. The DVI input on my 3 year old Sony converts the digital signal to analog early in the circuit. Consequently, in terms of picture quality, there is no difference between DVI and component .


Although you might get a way to input a HDCP image over DVI, don't expect the image to be any different than what you are already getting.
 

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Originally Posted by pilotbiffster /forum/post/0


You know, the best way to register your dissatisfaction with Mitsu is to NEVER buy a Mitsu TV again. That's what I'm doing; they could have a frickin holographic VR tv set and I wouldn't buy it . My outmoded Mitsu HD set is already two televisons past.

I plan to never buy a Mitsubishi product ever again.

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You may want to go over to The Home Theater Spot Forum. They have a huge Mitsubishi Forum and alot of Mits owners who were upset over the Promise Module. I bought a Mits 46805 RP HDTV in Dec. 1999, my first. I remember Mits stating that the TV was upgradable to future formats. There is a member there who is ISF trained who is working on a module that has a DVI input that will hook-up to older Mits models. I would check out Home Theater Spot.

Yes. I've been there and I am participating in that thread. I plan to purchase this upgrade from Craig as soon as it's available. Also, if Craig can do this, why can't Mits? After all, they did promise us.



Craig's innovation doesn't excuse Mits from false advertising.

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Although you might get a way to input a HDCP image over DVI, don't expect the image to be any different than what you are already getting.

I know that component can handle full 1080p bandwidth. I don't have any doubt that component looks every bit as good as a digital connection. That's not my argument. If an HD-content provider chooses to do so, they can block the HD signal over component. That would render the component output at a lesser quality than the digital output. In fact, without buying a cracked DVD player, I can't upconvert my current DVDs via component output. So, you could say that component inputs are already inferior to DVI or HDMI.
 

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If an HD-content provider chooses to do so, they can block the HD signal over component. That would render the component output at a lesser quality than the digital output.


Until content providers block the HD signal from component, you don't have cause of action. How are you damaged until then?? If they eventually do block content, all Mits is going to say is that it wasn't near future enough.


If anything, when you bought your display you should have asked yourself how likely Mits was going to complete their promise and if they did, what cost were associated to it. What if they came out with a HDMI connection for $3,000. Sure they kept their promise, but who would spend $3,000 to update a 4 or 5 year old TV when they can buy a new one for that??


I agree in principle with what you are saying. At the same time, I think its unlikely that you'll win.
 

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In the same boat with a WS-55511. I'll never pay Mits another penny because of this. I need to dig out my documentation and find exactly what it says. I made sure to get it in writing.
 

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I'd gladly settle for a 65831 as settlement in a class action lawsuit over the promise module to replace my non-HDMI 55805
, but the reality is I get HD satellite over component, HD XBOX 360 over component and if I wanted to add a HD-DVD player to my system I could get that over component as well considering the ICT flags are not in place, the ONLY thing I give up is the ability to legally upconvert SD DVD's (though there are players that did upconvert over component).


At this point while I would love to have a new tv (read larger screen), when it comes time to replace this one I'll go with whatever is the best for me AT THAT TIME. Right now it looks like the 07 Mits may be a home run in the DLP catagory and if this is the year I replace the 805 would I 'cut off my nose to spite my face' to punish Mits for not delivering the 'promise' module, nah, but the great thing about a Democracy is you certainly have that right to vote with your dollars.
 

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In the same boat with a WS-55511. I'll never pay Mits another penny because of this. I need to dig out my documentation and find exactly what it says. I made sure to get it in writing.

I have the 55511 too. I think there are a lot of people banning Mits from here on out because of this broken "promise".
 

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They got me as well. I purchased a 55807 & waited on the promise module. Now here I am 5 years later without a HDMI input. I have voted with my pocket book & those of my friends by making sure that they all stay clear of Mits.


Revenge is sweet, I've helped atleast 8 friends, soon to be 9 next week and none of them have purchased a MIts.


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So instead of making money (by manufacturing an HDMI promise module and selling it to us), they're losing money on this whole deal. ID10T's.
 

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I recall that one of the selling points of the mits widescreen I purchased way back when, was the promise that mits would upgrade the inputs if necessary to comply with the latest technology. Im going to go hunting for the brochure to get the exact wording, but that was the 'promise' made back then. Unless there is some small print somewhere stating that " well sooner or later we are gonna give up on that" I would sign on for a class action suit for false advertising.
 

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I remember buying my first 16:9 HDTV, Mitsubishi WT-46805 back in Dec. 99'. I also remember Mits stating that their HDTV's were upgradable. Did anyone ever buy the Promise Module?
 

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Does anyone have a copy of Mitsubishi's statement regarding the Promise Module? With DVD players that only upconvert via HDMI and Blu-Ray and HD-DVD having the flag for analog, I think it's time I file a false advertising claim with the Federal Trade Commission.


I am also actively seeking a technology lawyer to file a class action lawsuit against Mits.


Any information you can provide would be fantastic.


Thanks!
here it is.

THE PROMISE

We will engineer and manufacture the upgrades necessary so the HD-upgradeable television you purchase today can be made compatible with near-future advances in digital technology and digital interconnectivity. Specifically, we promise that you will be able to have your television upgraded, at a reasonable cost, to include an off-air HDTV tuner, a cable TV tuner (for unscrambled programming), an IEEE 1394 (Firewire) connection, HAVi system control and 5C copy protection.

 

PromiseModuleFactSheet.pdf 466.951171875k . file

 

promiseTV.pdf 120.8740234375k . file

 

the promise.pdf 339.4296875k . file
 

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