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I did a forum search and didn't find anything in this matter. So here goes.


The DVD release of Back To School (Rodney Dangerfield) and Home Alone (Makauly Culkin) each have one instance of incorrect matting.


Back to School's framing error occurs at 3 min 51 seconds into the movie. (Chapter 2). This occurs over the opening credits and results in Harold Ramis' name being cropped in half at the bottom of the 1.85 image. (During the screenplay credit.)


Home Alone occurs in Chapter 3, 8 minutes 41 seconds to 8 minutes 49 seconds. For this brief period the film, which is listed as 1.85, becomes over matted and then back to the 1.85 ratio. Not sure what ratio it becomes during this time.


Anyone else notice this? Probably a little late in the game to start a campaign a la Back to The Future, but good to know none the less.


There is a rumored SE of Home Alone (based on 20th Century Fox Q&A forum). Hopefully we get an anamorphic transfer with no shifting matte.


I'd like to see the same done for Rodney as well.


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Heck, if you think that's bad, WB managed to misframe the entire movie of "Kiss me Kate", effectively rendering a Pan and Scan and zoom and crop transfer.


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Vern,


Could you elaborate on the problem with "Kiss me Kate"? As I recall, that movie was filmed in 3-D, but usually shown flat. I believe that the original aspect ratio was 4:3, the same as the DVD. Are you saying that they cropped the frame?


BTW, KMK was NOT shown in 3-D at the Radio City Music Hall, which at the time was a trend setter. The studio concluded, based on box office success across the country of both versions, that 3-D did not add any financial value. I believe that KMK was one of the last 3-D films (except perhaps for Hitchcock's "Dial M for Murder" which has rarely been shown in 3-D).


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I saw KMK in 3D about 15 years ago in Northampton MA and it was 4:3 as I recall. To date (other than Imax) it was the only 3D film I have seen that was worth watching (being a fan of the musical does help).


If you check the IMDB, they list it technicall as 1.37:1 but also point out in the trivia that it was filmed in 4 different formats:


(from imdb): Only movie filmed in all four of the then-competing forms of traditional ratio, widescreen, cinemascope, and 3-D. After test showings, only the widescreen version was released.


I am not surprised that WB released it this way. They probably already had the 4:3 telecine master, and just redid the video compression and sound.
 

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This is giving away my age, but I saw KMK in 3-D either in Providence, RI or Boston, MA (I think it was Providence) during its initial release. So it was definitely released that way, as well as flat.


Given that it was released in widescreen, I'm disappointed that the DVD was not widescreen (but then I own a widescreen TV). Given the various ways it was filmed, I do not feel as passionate about it as with some other films - where I simply will not watch pan-and-scan versions.


I agree that not many other 3-D films are worth watching, but the exceptions, IMHO, are: "House of Wax" and "Dial M for Murder."


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You all need to check out the HTF for a loooong thread about the issue. It's in the HTSW section.


BTW, IMDB is wrong. "Kiss Me Kate" was filmed at 1.33:1 open matte and is designed for projection anywhere between 1.33 and 1.85:1, flat or 3D. Over half of the original booking were 3D as a result of test screenings that showed increased boxoffice for the 3D version.


Michael, you'll feel passionate about this one after you see the screen caps on the referenced forum. It's a blatent Pan and Scan and Crop and Zoom job that should never have been born.


Here is a small sampling:

(DVD feature is upper image, trailer is the lower image of each capture.)

Set #1


1.33:1: http://webpages.charter.net/tvdias/cap18.jpg

1.85:1 http://webpages.charter.net/tvdias/cap18ws.jpg


Set #2


1.33:1: http://webpages.charter.net/tvdias/cap19.jpg

1.85:1 http://webpages.charter.net/tvdias/cap19ws.jpg


Set #3


1.33:1: http://webpages.charter.net/tvdias/cap20.jpg

1.85:1 http://webpages.charter.net/tvdias/cap20ws.jpg


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Vern - thanks for the link and the pics. I am just astounded by how passionate the discussion is on the HTF thread. And totally bummed since the old MGM musicals are always on my DVD purchasing list. And I thought people really only cared to debate films like the Matrix !

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