Was wondering if anyone has had same issue with advice..I'm mounting a PN60F8500 on a Z-Line stand. Problem is that in the manual it doesnt say what holder ring or to use at all even though it has the same recessed holes as series 7000 & 6000 which both come with rings and detail usage. I called samsung got to tier two and he claims even though it has same recessed holes as previous models that specifically say to use rings between bracket and tv that this tv is different and "shouldnt" need them. Ill attach pics of instructions from each model to clarify. Im just wondering if what he says is true even though it makes no sense.