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This thread is dedicated to the build of my custom subs being made by Nathan of Funk Audio (formerly Funky Waves). I'll update the first post with all new updates.


Both cabinets are passive and will use dual Peerless XLS 12" drivers firing forward. The dimensions are H26" x L14" x W14". They will be powered by a Behringer EP4000.


Here are some pics of the unfinished cabinets:


Both cabinets stacked




Front and internal bracing




Rear of cabinet




Primed and ready for finishing:




First finish, which Nathan wasn't happy with, so he's going to spray again. The man has high standards, which is great for his customers:




Here's one of the completed subs:




I think it looks incredible! Yes, I realize the monster LMS 5400 makes my sub look wimpy.



Nathan said he's doing measurements and testing on them before shipping them out.


Here are the frequency sweeps he took from 90db to 105db. Looks really good to me! His room is 7000 cu ft, the subs were 1m from each corner and 4m apart with the mic 11' away. These are the subs only with a 90hz lowpass filter.




Looks like they're +/- 3db from 20hz-80hz in his room.



He also took one sweep with the mic between the subs so they are each 2m apart.




Can't wait to see how much gain I'll get from having them 7' apart in an open apartment less than half the size of his room.


I'm really looking forward to these bad boys, which will be acting as stands for my 2010 JTR Triple 888's with rubber mats acting as isolators.


Please feel free to ask any questions. If I don't have the answer, I'm sure Nathan will chyme in.


The subs arrived yesterday and man are they gorgeous! I'm still letting them warm up before doing any serious listening, but so far, they sound fantastic. Here are some pictures of the unpacking process that I took with my Blackberry. Please excuse the quality...


The delivery




The EP4000




Subs needing unpacking




Double boxed




Great packing protection












Freedom!






Rears with speakon inputs, which I think are fantastic!




And my humble, temporary setup




I'll write a review as by the end of the week.
 

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Looking good so far! Also looks like you have a nice box in the background of pic #1.



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Thanks dbl.


That's not my place. That's Nathan's place. He's building the cabinets and was nice enough to send me a few pics of the cabinets acclimatizing before he paints them.


That cabinet does look nice. Nathan does excellent work, from what I've seen.


We had initially started with single 15" subs, but changed after the 15" driver market wasn't producing anything I'd be happy with. I really wanted to use the AE AV15, but the wait is just too long!
I think the dual 12's should deliver some solid performance.
 

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Thanks pbc.


Nathan tried contacting him a number of times with no response and then he heard the wait times were still long. If he's shipping now, that's a shame, but I'm excited about having four twelve inch drivers delivering bass from seven feet away. I'm not too concerned with much below 20hz, since I live in an apartment. I wanted to focus on 20-80hz with drivers that could handle the 24db/octave low pass filter my processor applies. I love tight midbass and can deal with solid 20hz output being the limit for now. Once we move and I put together my dedicated theater, I'm going all out to get at least solid 10hz reference level output.
 

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The XLS is an underappreciated woofer these days. Don't know why. Maybe it doesn't have gaudy enough numbers. It just works.


However, you should consider putting them somewhere else in the room. Subs colocated with mains do nothing to address room mode issues.
 

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which model xls driver will you be using?


they have a really good rep for sound quality even if not max displacement for the $$$ performers.


routing bracing is a waste, but it sures looks pretty. ;-)
 

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I think the same DS-21 with regards to the Peerless XLS 12". Trust me, the last thing I want to do is put these guys under my speakers, but my apartment is extremely limited on locations for these guys. I'm hoping to not have more than 5db swings across the 2 octaves I'm using these for. My Anthem AVM20 allows me to cut a peak with a selectable bandwidth and level. This makes me very happy, but if I need to buy a DCX down the road, I will. This is a temporary setup until we buy our own house. Then the fun starts.



LTD02,

I believe it's the 830500, but I may be wrong. Is that the newest model? It has an fs of 18.1hz, if I'm correct.


Yeah, I've seen incredible performance and builds using dowels and window style bracing, but I appreciate the quality and detail Nathan puts into his work.


Do you guys think I'll get 110db at 20hz from these guys at 2m away?
 

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"Do you guys think I'll get 110db at 20hz from these guys at 2m away?"


depends on your room. for an average enclosed room, yes. for an open floorplan, maybe.


there is only so much that you can do based on driver specs. for 20hz, you are looking mostly at displacement and the 12" with 12.5 mm isn't the biggest dog in the pound.


the sound quality of those drives should make up for any spl deficit though.


on another note, that drive makes for a nice tapped horn, but it requires about 10 cubes per horn.


max spl at 25hz 1 driver at 150 watts:


sealed...2 cubes...98 db

ported (22hz) tuning...2.5 cubes not including port...105 db

tapped horn...10 cubes...115 db


so if you have the space and the inclination, go big. if not, go small. you can always experiment too. :)


btw, if you want to sacrifice the sub 20hz stuff, a tall narrow tapped horn with one fold could stand in a very small footprint and provide lots of sensivity and would be an easy build.


there are tons of options. whatever makes you happy is the best one.
 

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TnTBigman,


I did, but I was more concerned with being clean past 80hz, which from my understanding, the LMS R isn't as good at. Cost was the other issue, yes.


LTD02,

It is an open floorplan, but the positive I have going for me, which most others don't in an apartment, is the walls are all made of concrete. This should help me a bit. I knew I could easily get this from a ported design, but I really wanted to try out a sealed sub for myself. Midbass slam means more to me in my current living space than deep ULF. I really have to try using WINISD to see what potrential different designs have.
 

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"the walls are all made of concrete."


that is a blessing for at least two reasons, 1) you can crank it louder overall without disturbing the peeps, and 2) as you rightly point out, you get boundary reinforcement.


your happiness probably lies in getting them eq'd right and properly phased with your mains. sounds like you spec'd enough gear.
 

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Definitely a blessing in the sound containment.


One question about using something like DCX - My computer has an audio card with 5.1 3.5mm outputs. Do I need a different external audio card to run something like DCX?
 

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there are 3.5 mm to rca adapters, you just have to be careful about the levels. you don't want to send any clipped signals to your gear. not sure what you have there, but while visiting a family member, i was running 3.5mm to rca left and right channel to the receiver via an adapter and svga (or whatever it is now) to component via adapter to a projector. it worked great until one movie looked a little odd green, then we discovered the red component video input shook loose!


there are a ton of options:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&b...og&sa=N&tab=wi


i'd think that you could upconvert from 3.5 to rca then rca to xlr with two adapters. i haven't looked into 3.5 to xlr, but they probably exist. you just need enough signal to make it work and again make sure you aren't clipping out of your computer as that will ruin everything.


edit:

http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl...0l0l0l0l0ll0l0


looks like there are 3.5 mm to xlr cables.


just make sure that you get the right kind. i was running simple stereo output off a single 3.5 to left and right rca. you may have single 3.5 to single xlr needs, just make sure you get the right cable.
 

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Interesting... Are there any issues with enough voltage being supplied by the pc for a good calibrated mic?


I confirmed with Nathan that the drivers are the 830500 model. He also said the may be ready for finishing next week. That's great news to me!
 

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routing bracing is a waste, but it sures looks pretty. ;-)

True, it's a waste for a hack like you or me to use in a build but for someone who cares about their work looking 'professional' it's far from a waste. Not to mention, it probably saved him time (and money) to just make two inner baffles and use one as a brace than it would be fashioning something else up that meets his professional criteria.


I think the build looks on par with all the other amazing work he does.
 

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To be honest the main reason I roundover the bracing edges(which takes about 3sec, one router is dedicated to roundovers, and is always setup and handy). Is because I do not like scraping the back of my hand on sharp splintery wood edges while hooking up wires, installing foam/stuffing etc.
 

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"To be honest the main reason I roundover the bracing edges...Is because I do not like scraping the back of my hand on sharp splintery wood edges while hooking up wires..."


i hadn't considered that...
 

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That's as good a reason as any, Nathan.



Back to this microphone deal... Would I need a mic preamp to boost the voltage to the mic, or is the voltage through the pc enough? I'm guessing the former, but I don't have that much experience with this.
 

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Is because I do not like scraping the back of my hand on sharp splintery wood edges while hooking up wires, installing foam/stuffing etc.

Lol, great point, I know that too well . Of course you could use round dowels



But when someone unexperienced in box building looks at the inside they might think its not a good build because they have seen too many fancy comercial pics from companies like JL who waste time and $$$ "impressing" the uneducated



btw, Very nice boxes. I always liked the dual stacked look.
 
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