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Hey there,


Just wanted to get some feedback from the forum about a new product we're releasing soon -- Myro:Air ( http://www.myroair.com ). Feel free to post any questions or comments here and I'll answer them.


Thanks!

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Not something I'm in the market for but no DLNA DMR support ?


A lot of devices from Windows, XBMC to Android devices only 'play to' using DLNA digital media renderers. Being airplay only greatly limits the number of applications that can use of the device.
 

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I'm a Mac guy and I might be interested but I cannot find any description of what this device is on our website. There is some description of the bridge but I'm not interested in Sonos or Russound stuff... So a link (or a post here) describing what this is would be useful and appreciated.

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Not something I'm in the market for but no DLNA DMR support ?


A lot of devices from Windows, XBMC to Android devices only 'play to' using DLNA digital media renderers. Being airplay only greatly limits the number of applications that can use of the device.

Planning on enabling support for DLNA streaming but trying to keep it focused on AirPlay for launch. The architecture is capable of being a full audio media streamer as well -- again focus on a few things first and do them great.
 

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I'm a Mac guy and I might be interested but I cannot find any description of what this device is on our website. There is some description of the bridge but I'm not interested in Sonos or Russound stuff... So a link (or a post here) describing what this is would be useful and appreciated.

Mike

Try http://www.myrocontrol.com/myroair/ -- it has the details listed. The elevator pitch is: A device that streams AirPlay audio using the highly respected Wolfson WM8741 DAC (typically found in $500+ standalone DAC) with 2-way metadata and transport control for Home Integrators (via RS232, RS422 and IP).

(this pitch would be to technical audio/integration people
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There are no specs and not many useful pictures. All I know is your device supports Airplay....

That's fair -- specs will be posted soon. The audio portion includes Wolfson WM8804 S/PDIF Transceiver allowing it to output both Optical (bypassing the DAC) and the output from the WM8741 via RCA. Since AirPlay uses a Lossless codec you can be sure the output will be the best possible.


The primary reason I created this is because while Sonos and the other media streamers are great -- I'm tired of maintaining/syncing multiple servers accounts -- I use my iOS devices as the source and I AirPlay to my whole house audio system. My iOS devices have my music library (locally or via cloud) as well as other services I used like Pandora, Amazon, Rhapsody, Podcasts -- then I manage my single device that is with me all the time -- when I leave the house, I continue in my car, etc.


From home-to-work, it's seamless.


I wanted the best possible audio output and 2-way control/metadata on the keypads and touchscreens already in my home. Not sure how many others out there share my vision, but I'm sticking to it
 

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Here is a drawing of the back ports:

 

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mavromatis:

ALL you've got is an elevator pitch. And, I'm NOT "technical audio/integration people" so I can't comment on your dohickey...

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Hi Mike,


If you have specific questions feel free to ask. Sorry I didn't respond with something useful to you.


It's an AirPlay streamer that offers high-end DAC (the thing that converts The digital bits to analog sound waves your ears can hear) and offers custom integrators the ability to two way control and metadata.


If there is something more you'd like/want I would be interested in hearing it.


Best,

Danny
 

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I don't get it. My AVR Pioneer SC-1522 is Airplay enable. I can access my server from it, Pandora, iTunes, iPhones, iPads, internet radio, etc. Furthermore, I can play music in 3 different zones. There are many devices out there that can do Airplay. So, I am wondering why would anyone would want to buy this device! As some others have mentioned...I went to your website, which is vague.


The only two things that I got from it was: 1) It does Airplay, and 2) It plays Apple Lossless files. As I mentioned before, my AVR does that already, and many other do as well for less than $600.
 

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Thanks for you input GusGus. Perhaps this early video might clear things up -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEHlG08I-QE&sns=em


Tough crowd, but appreciate the honesty. Also wanted to mention this is not a mass marketed product and tailored to the mid to high end marketplace where audio quality and connectivity is the most critical. These will be manufactured in the U.S.A. -- something I'm very proud of.


As for the "there are many devices out there that can do airplay" statement - there isn't one that does what Myro:Air does. Provide audio passed through a high end DAC ( $13 raw part were as what is in most products cost pennies) and highly controllable 2-way and metadata not possible on other devices like Myro:Air can. Here is a standalone DAC that has the WM8741 in it - $479! It could be that those "features" don't add any value to you which is understandable.


AirPlay is license by Apple and only is on certain AV Receivers (embedded) and standalone speakers. Then there is the Apple Express and Apple TV. That covers the licensed, legal products.


Again, thank you for your input.


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Danny I watched the video last night. I don't know anything about DAC or its advantages for sound quality. So, may be if you could explain why would your product be better to play music than using my SC-1522? My wife and I don't really care for metadata. We usually use Pandora or iTunes / AirPlay to play music.


So, may be if you can educate me a little more about DAC, I will be able to understand the necessity for your product and the price tag.
 

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So, may be if you can educate me a little more about DAC, I will be able to understand the necessity for your product and the price tag.

Sure! I'll try to keep it as high level as possible.


Most audio originates as analog sound waves -- vocals, instruments, etc -- obviously not the synthesized stuff as that is digital to start -- the analog stuff is "mastered digitally" at the source which means it's recorded/encoded into 01010101's -- I'll stay out of the "codec" formats as that is a whole different subject, lets just assume these are Apple AAC audio files purchased from the iTunes store. It's up to the playback device to turn those back into something our ears can hear -- anytime you plug in headphones, RCA or speaker jacks into an audio source that is the "analog" side of the product that ran the digital signal through some DAC (Digital to Analog Converter). All the burden falls on the DAC manufacture to recreate the digital sound back to it's original analog sound wave we can amplify and hear. There is a lot of technology and art that goes into that -- Wolfson is a very well venerated DAC manufacture and offers many types of DACs. We've chosen the WM8741 which is their "flagship" DAC -- top-of-the-line -- most expensive -- best signal-to-noise-ratio -- adjustable filters all the stuff that probably means nothing to you but to the audiophile it's porn. What it all means is that the analog sound coming out of the device is amazing (this is subjective and each person has there own preferences -- you can google WM8741 and see audiophiles discussing it's merits, etc).


There are a lot more details like types of capacitors used, power supplies, grounding planes, etc -- all that goes into creating a great audio device. The reason why devices are so inexpensive these days is that a they are mass produced in China and use parts that are "good enough" for the masses. I wanted to create the best possible sound and give full control to the user while maintaining the convenience of AirPlay. I was tired of managing media servers in my house when all my audio is stored on my iPhone or in the cloud (iCloud/Match, Pandora, Rhapsody, etc).


While the audiophile may give flack for "you're feeding garbage quality sound into the device" -- Apple uses a Lossless codec for AirPlay so if you provide great quality to Myro:Air your ears can be sure it's getting the best possible audio output via the WM8741 DAC.


Hope that helps some?


Best,

Danny


P.S. Here is a video explaining audio DACs on YouTube:
 

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Thanks for that explanation. I didn't even know how important a good quality DAV is. Now, it makes me wonder what my AVR uses.


I like your product, and it makes sense, but the price is a little high for consumers like me. Or should I say, how can I convince my wife to let me spend $600 dollars on a unit like this lol.
 

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Hi Danny,


This sounds very interesting. I have a couple of questions:


1) Will this be IP controllable as well as RS-232?

2) Do you have any information you can share on the protocol

3) Do you envision releasing any type of Crestron Module at the time of launch? Do you plan to integrate with the Crestron Core 3 media player.


Looks like a great way to integrate Airplay into a Crestron whole house audio system.


Definitely interested in the pre-order.


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1) Will this be IP controllable as well as RS-232?

This is possible with the system architecture -- however -- for launch was not planning on enabling it (this may change) as our experience with network control is that it leads to all sorts of support calls/issues with people calling up asking why it's not working --- TCP/IP control relies on the controller to have a network stack outside of the actual control protocol. Plan is to launch then issue a firmware update to enable -- but again -- we may release the IP control as part of the main release as we see new control systems utilizing IP control over RS232.
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2) Do you have any information you can share on the protocol

The RS232 control will be very simple ASCII commands via 9600 baud. The connector we are using is the same as the type Crestron uses (the little green phoenix 3-conductor plug -- same G/TX/RX pin-out). Will be releasing the protocol document soon.
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3) Do you envision releasing any type of Crestron Module at the time of launch?

Yes. I personally program Crestron systems and have created modules for Core2 processors (CP2E, Pro2, etc) so that will be provided at launch.

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Do you plan to integrate with the Crestron Core 3 media player.

I haven't done much with any Core 3 processors yet -- but am current with all the Crestron programming software -- what should I be looking for to get started?
 

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Thanks for that explanation. I didn't even know how important a good quality DAV is. Now, it makes me wonder what my AVR uses.


I like your product, and it makes sense, but the price is a little high for consumers like me. Or should I say, how can I convince my wife to let me spend $600 dollars on a unit like this lol.


Hmmm... unfortunately I can't help there as I'm struggling to convince my own wife that the time I'm spending on this project and away from the family is worth it
 

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While Airplay has some great functionality, I tend to question it's market place within the high end community of audiophiles as there's no support for HiRes files and all content is upsampled to 16/48.......most importantly native Redbook rips from 16/44.1. Not sure from a DEV standpoint gearing towards a premium DAC is a direction worth pursuing.


Now an Airplay device the market is missing is an Airplay client device that includes a built in amplifier section, allowing the end user to select their own speakers such as stand alone shelf system types, in walls, whatever. Simple, stand alone, with a volume knob and headphone jack, quality class D architecture, auto on/off sensing. That's a device I'd pay a few $$$ for instead of having to combine Airport Expresses with extra gear for complicated cluttered zones.
 

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While Airplay has some great functionality, I tend to question it's market place within the high end community of audiophiles as there's no support for HiRes files and all content is upsampled to 16/48.......most importantly native Redbook rips from 16/44.1. Not sure from a DEV standpoint gearing towards a premium DAC is a direction worth pursuing.

I see it a bit differently -- a good DAC is still important no matter what the source or the destination (e.g. home distribution system or the dedicated audio only listening system). The conversion of the digital signal to analog is still something you need and the higher end DACs like the WM8741 still make the sound better. There is a lot of debate around the subject even in the mobile phone space there are some Android phones that use a new Wolfson chip and it's getting attention -- so I think there is still merit to including the best possible DAC in a consumer product -- even if it's being fed by ripped CDs turned to MP3. I personally use the highest quality assets over AirPlay and they sound stunning through the WM8741 DAC.

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Now an Airplay device the market is missing is an Airplay client device that includes a built in amplifier section, allowing the end user to select their own speakers such as stand alone shelf system types, in walls, whatever. Simple, stand alone, with a volume knob and headphone jack, quality class D architecture, auto on/off sensing. That's a device I'd pay a few $$$ for instead of having to combine Airport Expresses with extra gear for complicated cluttered zones.

With Myro:Air 80+% of the design would still be used for a device you are looking for -- quite frankly a Class D (or T) amp with banana plug/binding posts is more trivial to design. Plus, you could just take the RCA outs and plug into those new low-cost but high-quality amps that have been out for a while like the Lepai Class T LP-2020A+ -- it's like $30!!!!
 

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......that's assuming that one wants a multi box setup which in my experience from the practical side of things isn't where Airplay's usefulness lies.


I run my Airports and ATVs optical outs to my existing gear....and yes they sound good enough for my purposes. Now the the Airports use AirTunes......which is bit perfect 16/44.1 for redbook
 
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